[Ads-l] pronunciation of the capital of Ukraine

[Wilson Gray]

> Are you sure you meant to refer to the first syllable?

Yes, I am. But I'm referencing the native pronunciation ["What do residents
of that city say?"] of Kiev as I hear it and not the pronunciation in
English. I agree with you WRT the pronunciation of _Kiev_ in English.

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:42 PM Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com> wrote:

> Are you sure you meant to refer to the first syllable? I would agree if you
> meant the second syllable.
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 3:40 PM Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > KEY-ev, similar to the car company Kia, but with a v at the end.with a
> v
> > at the end
> >
> > If we're going for an approximation of the native pronunciation, the
> vowel
> > of the first syllable doesn't exist in English, being very similar to
> > Russian ы, a kind of unrounded _u_, and _w_ becomes a _v_ only when
> > followed by a vowel in the course of declension or of rapid speech.
> > Name-drop: I studied Ukrainian under the tutelage of the late, great
> Prof.
> > G. Y. Shevelov.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 1:48 PM Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I am not sure how to explain it, but I would say that what most people
> > get
> > > wrong is the second syllable is not expressed as a full syllable, but
> as
> > a
> > > second vowel sound following the first: KEY-ev, similar to the car
> > company
> > > Kia, but with a v at the end.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 6:50 AM Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > What do residents of that city say?
> > > >
> > > > Approximately: KIH.yew.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 5:49 PM David K. Barnhart <
> > > dbarnhart at highlands.com
> > > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Recently I've heard news media people saying
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 'ki:v
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Rather than what I recall hearing heretofore as
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 'ki: ev
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What do residents of that city say?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards to all,
> > > > >
> > > > > David
> > > > >
> > > > >
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-- 
-Wilson
-----
All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"---a strange complaint to
come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
-Mark Twain

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