[Ads-l] allegory

Tue Sep 10 18:16:29 UTC 2019

Rick is America pre Pearl Harbor. He sees what is happening in Europe, but
stays out of it. Then Europe (Ilsa + Victor) finds Rick, and Rick
eventually joins the fight.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 1:03 PM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
wrote:

>  Please explain the allegory.
>
> JL
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 11:50 AM Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm very confused. I would expect movie criticism to use "allegory"
> often,
> > when talking about allegories (such as Casablanca, which is an allegory
> > about America isolationism).
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:59 AM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It may be common usage in movie criticism.  Discovered serendipitously:
> > >
> > > 1975 Richard Corliss, in Howard Koch, ed. _Casablanca - Script and
> > Legend_
> > > (Woodstock, N.Y.: Overlook Press) 198:  _Casablanca_...succeeds as
> > > allegory...and as a superb romantic melodrama.
> > >
> > > Corliss, of course, for decades was film critic for Time magazine .
> > >
> > > JL
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 4:47 PM Andy Bach <afbach at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > I deny the allegory and I resent the alligator.
> > > > We didn't receive it - perhaps you needed more stamps.
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 3:08 PM Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I deny the allegory and I resent the alligator.
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sep 8, 2019, at 3:00 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
> > wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2019
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/movies/review/2019/02/21/never-look-away-is-a-detached-and-arty-look-at-turbulent-times.html
> > > > > > :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Never Look Away is a sprawling allegory of the artistic impulse,
> > > > arrayed
> > > > > > on the canvas of the Second World War and the rise and fall of
> the
> > > > Nazis.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There's nothing symbolic or particularly metaphorical in this
> > movie,
> > > > highly
> > > > > > fictionalized from the life of the German artist Gerhard Richter.
> > So
> > > > > > "allegory" seems to mean something like "interesting or
> provocative
> > > > > > dramatic representation."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JL
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle
> the
> > > > truth."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > The American Dialect Society - http://www.americandialect.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > a
> > > >
> > > > Andy Bach,
> > > > afbach at gmail.com
> > > > 608 658-1890 cell
> > > > 608 261-5738 wk
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > The American Dialect Society - http://www.americandialect.org
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
> > truth."
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > The American Dialect Society - http://www.americandialect.org
> > >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > The American Dialect Society - http://www.americandialect.org
> >
>
>
> --
> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the truth."
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> The American Dialect Society - http://www.americandialect.org
>

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 1:03 PM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
wrote:

>  Please explain the allegory.
>
> JL
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 11:50 AM Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm very confused. I would expect movie criticism to use "allegory"
> often,
> > when talking about allegories (such as Casablanca, which is an allegory
> > about America isolationism).
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:59 AM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It may be common usage in movie criticism.  Discovered serendipitously:
> > >
> > > 1975 Richard Corliss, in Howard Koch, ed. _Casablanca - Script and
> > Legend_
> > > (Woodstock, N.Y.: Overlook Press) 198:  _Casablanca_...succeeds as
> > > allegory...and as a superb romantic melodrama.
> > >
> > > Corliss, of course, for decades was film critic for Time magazine .
> > >
> > > JL
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 4:47 PM Andy Bach <afbach at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > I deny the allegory and I resent the alligator.
> > > > We didn't receive it - perhaps you needed more stamps.
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 3:08 PM Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I deny the allegory and I resent the alligator.
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sep 8, 2019, at 3:00 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
> > wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2019
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/movies/review/2019/02/21/never-look-away-is-a-detached-and-arty-look-at-turbulent-times.html
> > > > > > :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Never Look Away is a sprawling allegory of the artistic impulse,
> > > > arrayed
> > > > > > on the canvas of the Second World War and the rise and fall of
> the
> > > > Nazis.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There's nothing symbolic or particularly metaphorical in this
> > movie,
> > > > highly
> > > > > > fictionalized from the life of the German artist Gerhard Richter.
> > So
> > > > > > "allegory" seems to mean something like "interesting or
> provocative
> > > > > > dramatic representation."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JL
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle
> the
> > > > truth."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > The American Dialect Society - http://www.americandialect.org
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > The American Dialect Society - http://www.americandialect.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > a
> > > >
> > > > Andy Bach,
> > > > afbach at gmail.com
> > > > 608 658-1890 cell
> > > > 608 261-5738 wk
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > The American Dialect Society - http://www.americandialect.org
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
> > truth."
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > The American Dialect Society - http://www.americandialect.org
> > >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > The American Dialect Society - http://www.americandialect.org
> >
>
>
> --
> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the truth."
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> The American Dialect Society - http://www.americandialect.org
>

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