[Ads-l] More "box set"

Mark Mandel markamandel at GMAIL.COM
Mon Apr 13 15:03:34 EDT 2020


I think it's at least partly contextual.  The /ksts/ of "bo*xed s*et" drops
the /t/ and merges the /s/es; and the /ndt/ of "dow*ned t*rees" drops the
unreleased /d/ before the /t/, or we could say that it begins the
unvoicing, a little sooner. Were might even be able to observe that by
measuring the duration of the cluster in *d*-droppers and non- droppers.

Mark Mandel

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 11:28 AM Kathleen Lamantia <
kathleen_lamantia at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I suspect that it's not editing.  So far as I can tell, no one hears the
> "ed" at the end of modifiers anymore.  "Boxed" and "downed" and most other
> words of this construction are on their way to the ash heap.  Those of us
> who know and care are fewer and fewer. Very sad.
>
> It's not as bad as using apostrophes to pluralize, but it is a real
> phenomenon.
>
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> Subject: Re: More "box set"
>
> Ah yes, that seems likely. Thanks.
>
>  Mark Mandel
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 10:59 PM Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am a little bit familiar with NWS bulletins, so I wanted to make sure
> the
> > original bulletin was correct. It was, saying that "(D)amaging winds will
> > blow down trees and power lines."
> >
> > Looks to me like the newspaper did a bad cut-and-paste, or forgot to add
> > the 'ed' to 'down'.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 10:27 PM Mark Mandel <markamandel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > "Down trees" for "downed trees".
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.phillyvoice.com%2Fhigh-wind-warning-national-weather-service-philadelphia-pennsylvania-new-jersey-delaware%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C121a752d2afc43b1a85e08d7dfba5c61%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637223863806848664&sdata=EbZc85TeclfnayU%2F2xKiGVgEEGEI5CV24tVBozMxwZM%3D&reserved=0
> > > >>>>>
> > > APRIL 12, 2020
> > >
> > > A high wind warning has been issued by the National Weather Service
> (NWS)
> > > for the Greater Philadelphia region on Monday that could cause
> widespread
> > > power outages due to *down trees* and power lines.
> > > <<<<<
> > >
> > > Reminds me of the old riddle:
> > > Q: How do you get down from a tree?
> > > A: You don't get down from a tree, you get down from a goose.
> > >
> > > MAM
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