[Ads-l] big apple

Fri Feb 7 17:14:07 UTC 2020

Yes - it's close enough to standard French.

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MARGARET E WINTERS
Former Provost
Professor Emerita - French and Linguistics
Wayne State University
Detroit, MI  48202

mewinters at wayne.edu

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Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 12:00 PM
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Subject: Re: big apple

Dormi Mon Enfant,
  'Ti Marie Do-Do Cherie
  Si Li Pas Do-Do Cocotte
 Crab la va Mange, Cherie

> So ‘pinch your toes’ is a bit of a euphemism, eh?

Dunno - I don't speak Creole ... er, or French (nor does Gtranslate) but
"the crab'll eat you"?

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 11:36 AM Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
wrote:

> So ‘pinch your toes’ is a bit of a euphemism, eh?
>
> > On Feb 6, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Andy Bach <afbach at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >
> > Dormi Mon Enfant,
> > 'Ti Marie Do-Do Cherie
> > Si Li Pas Do-Do Cocotte
> > Crab la va Mange, Cherie
> >
> > From "Music Time" with Charity Bailey (pdf of the album and liner notes)
> > https://folkways-media.si.edu/liner_notes/folkways/FW07307.pdf
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 10:19 PM Mark Mandel <markamandel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Oh my heavens! I had forgotten all about the Creole until you mentioned
> it,
> >> and now there're a few ragged fragments in my mind. Maybe some more will
> >> come back to me.
> >>
> >> ??: Is this one of the songs you meant?:
> >>
> >> *Dormi, mon enfant, *
> >> *Close your eyes, my sweet babý.*
> >> * If you do not sleep, my love, *
> >> * Crab will pinch your toes, babý. *
> >> * If you do not sleep, my love, *
> >> * Crab will pinch your toes.*
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020, 4:54 PM Margaret Winters <mewinters at wayne.edu>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I found out several years ago when I googled her to find out who she
> was.
> >>> I still remember (and sing, though not always safely in tune) the four
> >>> songs I learned from that one record I mentioned.  It wasn't until I
> >>> studied French, though, that I understood the creole words - I'd
> >> basically
> >>> learned them as a string of sounds.
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------------
> >>> MARGARET E WINTERS
> >>> Former Provost
> >>> Professor Emerita - French and Linguistics
> >>> Wayne State University
> >>> Detroit, MI  48202
> >>>
> >>> mewinters at wayne.edu
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> on behalf of
> >> Mark
> >>> Mandel <markamandel at GMAIL.COM>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 4:47 PM
> >>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> >>> Subject: Re: big apple
> >>>
> >>> OMG! When I was a kid in the fifties, my family played a lot of folk
> >> music
> >>> (on records), probably instilling in me the love of and fascination
> with
> >>> singing, especially folk songs, that I retained and reveled in to this
> >> day.
> >>> Among the singers were the Weavers, Richard Dyer-Bennet, Burl Ives,
> >>> and *Charity
> >>> Bailey*. And until five minutes ago I never knew she was Black. Thank
> >> you.
> >>>
> >>> Mark Mandel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020, 8:20 AM Margaret Winters <mewinters at wayne.edu>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Some time in the 50s there was a New York City local children's
> program
> >>> on
> >>>> TV with Charity Bailey, a black singer and educator.  I think I still
> >>> have
> >>>> the 78rpm record of her singing 4 songs, three in English and one in
> >>> French
> >>>> creole.  See
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://folkways.si.edu/charity-bailey/music-time-with/african-american-music-childrens/album/smithsonian
> >>>> [https://folkways-media.si.edu/images/album_covers/SF1400/FW07307.jpg
> >> ]<
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://folkways.si.edu/charity-bailey/music-time-with/african-american-music-childrens/album/smithsonian
> >>>>>
> >>>> Music Time with Charity Bailey | Smithsonian Folkways Recordings<
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://folkways.si.edu/charity-bailey/music-time-with/african-american-music-childrens/album/smithsonian
> >>>>>
> >>>> Singer and educator Charity Bailey, who was director of music at the
> >>>> progressive Little Red School House in New York City, offers a
> >> collection
> >>>> of songs aimed at a very young audience. Children from Sarah Lawrence
> >>>> Nursery School in New York City participated in the recordings. The
> >>>> traditional song “...
> >>>> folkways.si.edu
> >>>>
> >>>> ----------------------------
> >>>> MARGARET E WINTERS
> >>>> Former Provost
> >>>> Professor Emerita - French and Linguistics
> >>>> Wayne State University
> >>>> Detroit, MI  48202
> >>>>
> >>>> mewinters at wayne.edu
> >>>>
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