[Ads-l] United States of America as Model for Nazi Race Laws

[Shapiro, Fred]

A professor at my school wrote a book a few years ago about how United States laws provided the model for Nazi race laws:

Hitler's American model : the United States and the making of Nazi race law / James Q. Whitman.<http://morris.law.yale.edu/search~S1?/awhitman,+james/awhitman+james/1%2C2%2C10%2CB/frameset&FF=awhitman+james+q+1957&4%2C%2C9/indexsort=->
Princeton ; Oxford : Princeton University Press, [2017]

Fred Shapiro



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> At least hexadecaroon/mustefino/quintroon were in use.

Apparently, if this be true - and I have no reason to doubt it - not only
did the United States provide what was then the Union of South Africa -
"the _other_ USA"; most of y'all are probably too young to remember that
slogan, which may have inspired the more recent slogan, "the other white
meat" - with the templates for apartheid < segregation and the townships <
reservations, but it also showed Nazi Germany what it means to be really
serious about "race." It's said that, by meticulous examination of
Renaissance baptismal records, the Nazis were even able to track down two
Jews passing for Catholic bishops.

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 3:18 PM Barretts Mail <mail.barretts at gmail.com>
wrote:

> > On 17 Feb 2020, at 07:31, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU> wrote:
> >
> >> On Feb 17, 2020, at 3:37 AM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >>
> >> That's true. BTW, are people familiar with the Chan sisters, Meg and
> >> Jennifer? They use their mother's maiden name, Tilly, as their nom du
> film.
> >> There are many Websites devoted to the revelation of the "polluted"
> >> ancestry of more-or-less public figures. You'd think that such Web pages
> >> would be managed by the KKK. But, in fact, they're run by
> >> couldn't-possibly-be-mistaken-for-white members of the relevant "race,"
> who
> >> have heartily embraced the one-drop rule. (More cultural appropriation!
> >> Won't *nobody* let colored people have *nothing*, just for them!)
> >> Oddly, some racist sites claim that the one-drop rule is a black thang,
> >> thought up for the purpose of claiming more-or-less important,
> more-or-less
> >> non-black people, e.g.  Barack Obama, Frederick Douglass, Booker T.
> >> Washington, Lena Horne, Thurgood Marshall, Cab Calloway, Mariah Carey,
> >> Malcolm X, Muhammed Ali, Johnny Mathis, etc. as "black." However, the
> >> one-drop rule is a logical extension of the law, originally promulgated
> in
> >> the Virginia Colony, that, if the mother is a slave, then the child is a
> >> slave, regardless of the social and/or the racial status of the father:
> if
> >> an ancestor was black, then the descendant is black.
> >>
> > cf. the promulgation of “quadroon” and “octoroon”.  If there’s no
> finer-grained term I assume it's because those making the rules didn’t know
> the Latin for 1/16.
> >
> > LH
>
> My recollection is that someone sat down and came up with words for every
> fraction up to 256ths—not just 1/8ths, but 3/16ths, 5/16ths, etc. I have
> searched a bit and can’t find any reference to it.
>
> At least hexadecaroon/mustefino/quintroon were in use.
>
> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mixedracestudies.org%2F%3Fp%3D1146&data=02%7C01%7Cfred.shapiro%40yale.edu%7C979f5fc5d6484a21c5ce08d7b4f1c0c2%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637176822726631294&sdata=fMoknP72%2Fumh0X1z0mNolPLKJsDCyRxPRhyFc8qOjBA%3D&reserved=0 <
> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mixedracestudies.org%2F%3Fp%3D1146&data=02%7C01%7Cfred.shapiro%40yale.edu%7C979f5fc5d6484a21c5ce08d7b4f1c0c2%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637176822726631294&sdata=fMoknP72%2Fumh0X1z0mNolPLKJsDCyRxPRhyFc8qOjBA%3D&reserved=0> has a few more.
>
> This sort of word would still be useful for Native American blood quantum
> rules (https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBlood_quantum_laws%23Implementation&data=02%7C01%7Cfred.shapiro%40yale.edu%7C979f5fc5d6484a21c5ce08d7b4f1c0c2%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637176822726631294&sdata=wErAytJLljihZxOj%2Fvg5mwCODkGOZMS7vViD0w76b%2FM%3D&reserved=0 <
> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBlood_quantum_laws%23Implementation&data=02%7C01%7Cfred.shapiro%40yale.edu%7C979f5fc5d6484a21c5ce08d7b4f1c0c2%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637176822726631294&sdata=wErAytJLljihZxOj%2Fvg5mwCODkGOZMS7vViD0w76b%2FM%3D&reserved=0>) but
> AFAIK the fractions, not the words, are used.
>
> Benjamin Barrett (he/his/him)
> Formerly of Seattle, WA
>
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