[Ads-l] famous or infamous?

[ADSGarson O'Toole]

JL: I believe that the Cobra Kai karate dojo is portrayed very
negatively in the Karate Kid film trilogy. Thus, the use of "infamous"
in the passage you shared seems to fit the conventional meaning. This
conclusion is based on descriptions of the movie plots I have heard
and information in Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kreese

[Begin excerpt]
Sensei John Kreese . . . is a Vietnam War veteran and the sensei of
the Cobra Kai dojo. He instructs his students to have no mercy towards
their opponents.
[End excerpt]

[Begin excerpt]
Kreese instructs Bobby Brown, . . .  to disable Daniel with an illegal
attack on the knee.
[End excerpt]

Daniel is the hero if the first film

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 1:28 PM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bonus "infamous."   Unequivocally it means "famous or celebrated," not
> "undeservedly famous," as some would have it:
>
> https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/cobra-kai-moves-youtube-netflix-160002702.html
>  * :*
>
> “Cobra Kai” takes place 30 years after the events of the 1984 All Valley
> Karate Tournament, where a now-successful Daniel LaRusso (Ralph Macchio)
> struggles to maintain balance in his life without the guidance of Mr.
> Miyagi, and must face his previous adversary, down-and-out Johnny Lawrence
> (William Zabka), who seeks redemption by reopening the infamous Cobra Kai
> karate dojo. "
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 11:42 AM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > How soon can you become infamous?
> >
> > https://www.yahoo.com/news/even-fox-friends-isn-t-150608180.html  *:*
> > Despite the infamous image of a downtrodden Trump shuffling off Marine One
> > on Saturday night, McEnany insisted the president was in “good spirits” and
> > a “great mood” on the trip back to Washington after the rally.
> >
> > Or does it mean "widely publicized to someone's detriment"?
> >
> > JL
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 3:00 PM Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> > On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:23 PM, Ben Zimmer <bgzimmer at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 1:57 PM Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
> >> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Paradigm case.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Yahoo News:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "Fort Lee is named for Gen. Robert E. Lee, the infamous Confederate
> >> >>> commander."
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It would have been easier (and less condescending to everybody) just
> >> to
> >> >>> leave out the value judgment (if that's what is).
> >> >>>
> >> >>> JL
> >> >>
> >> >> If also would have been easier and less condescending if they’d
> >> realized
> >> >> Fort Lee is actually named for General Charles Lee, who served under
> >> >> Washington.  I remembered that from one of those McCullogh books about
> >> the
> >> >> Revolutionary War, and wikipedia confirms.  Now Charles Lee himself was
> >> >> both famous and infamous (
> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Lee_(general)), court-martial
> >> and
> >> >> all, but for insubordination and other alleged offenses, not including
> >> >> being a Confederate commander. That would have been no mean feat,
> >> since he
> >> >> was dead by the end of 1782.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > The news article JL quoted is about Fort Lee, VA, not Fort Lee, NJ.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> https://www.businessinsider.com/military-bases-named-after-confederate-leaders-2020-6
> >> >
> >> > —bgz
> >> >
> >>
> >> Ah, that’s my Gotham-centric world view coming out again (cf.
> >> https://tinyurl.com/y9u6btxb).  You can just about make out my Fort Lee
> >> in the distance, and the Virginia one is nowhere in sight.  Nevermind.
> >>
> >> LH
> >>
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