[Ads-l] "Who was Kilroy?" June 26, 1945 (in-print antedating?)

[Jonathan Lighter]

The nose nose.

JL

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 5:06 PM Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
wrote:

> shnoz, shmoz, who nose.
>
> > On Mar 26, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
> >
> > Whenever I say "shnozz" with a stuffed shnozz, I say "shdozz," not
> "shmoz."
> >
> > JL
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 3:17 PM Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>> On Mar 26, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Not sure why someone would produce fake Kilroy buttons for War Bonds
> and
> >>> subtly backdating them to 1943.  To fool us perhaps? Of course, nothing
> >> is
> >>> impossible.
> >>>
> >>> I don't see why the restorers would create a fake "Kilroy IS here" name
> >> for
> >>> the C-47. Maybe the Museum possesses a 1944 photo.
> >>>
> >>> As for the frequency of KIlroy's appearance during the war, I will add
> >> that
> >>> I cannot recall many (or perhaps any) refs. to it in published wartime
> >>> letters or memoirs.
> >>>
> >>> It would probably take only two sightings in distant places to
> convince a
> >>> person that Kilroy signs were "everywhere" in WW2.
> >>>
> >>> Just as a data point: I checked with my wife about Gene Ahern's "Nov
> >> shmoz
> >>> ka pop," and - without prompting from me - she immediately associated
> it
> >>> with a cartoon of "a little man with a big nose looking over a
> fence."  I
> >>> associate the phrase only with the "little hitch-hiker" in Ahern's
> >>> "Squirrel Cage" strip.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> The big nose makes it seem as though “shmoz” somehow derives from
> >> “shnoz”—maybe someone trying to say “shnoz” with a stuffed nose, or
> perhaps
> >> “Nov shnoz” dissimilated to “Nov shmoz”.
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