[Ads-l] background of a quote

Mon Nov 1 16:22:37 UTC 2021

Here is a link to a store selling a reprint compendium of the Fabulous
Furry Freak Brothers. If you click in the first b/w page you will see
three panels. The quotation is in the lower right panel. You would
have to consult with an underground comix aficionado to try to get a
proper date on the issue or determine if the quote appeared earlier in
the comix run.

https://www.budsartbooks.com/product/the-fabulous-furry-freak-brothers-compendium/

On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 12:04 PM ADSGarson O'Toole
<adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here are two slightly earlier citations for the "dope" version of the
> quotation. "The Great Speckled Bird" underground newspaper reprinted a
> single panel from a comic (not the full comic). To me it looks like
> the panel is from the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers. The panel has a
> word balloon containing the quotation. Bill suggested this comic was
> the origin. The second citation below gives the precise title of one
> of the comics containing the quotation (although it might appear in an
> earlier comic).
>
> Date: May 26, 1969
> Periodical; The Great Speckled Bird
> Volume 2, Number 11
> Quote Page 10,
> Database: JSTOR
> Description: Word balloon from a single panel of a comic
> https://www.jstor.org/stable/community.28037611
>
> [Begin excerpt]
> ... WE HAVE PLENTY OF GRASS AND AS WE ALL KNOW, DOPE WILL GET YOU
> THROUGH TIMES OF NO MONEY BETTER THAN MONEY WILL GET YOU THROUGH TIMES
> OF NO DOPE!
> [End excerpt]
>
> An article in "The East Village Other" described the contents of a
> comic titled "Those Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers Pull A Heist" which
> apparently included a panel with the target quotation. This instance
> used the variant spelling "thru" for "through".
>
> Date: July 30, 1969
> Periodical: The East Village Other
> Publication Location: New York, New York
> Volume 4, Number 35
> Article: Wonder Wart, Hog's Father
> https://www.jstor.org/stable/community.28035902
>
> [Begin excerpt]
> What happens, see, is that the Brothers have run out of money,
> prompting Frank to disburden himself of this gem of folk wisdom: "As
> we all know, DOPE get you thru times of no MONEY better than money
> will get you thru times of no DOPE!!”
> [End excerpt]
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 11:19 AM Shapiro, Fred <fred.shapiro at yale.edu> wrote:
> >
> > The New Yale Book of Quotations has the following:
> >
> > Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope.
> > Quoted in The Rag (Austin, Tex.), 24 Nov. 1969
> >
> > Fred Shapiro
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> on behalf of Ben Zimmer <bgzimmer at GMAIL.COM>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 9:14 PM
> > To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > Subject: Re: background of a quote
> >
> > Another variation on the theme: "Love will get you through times of no sex
> > better than sex will get you through times of no love," from Tom Rapp's
> > song "Love/Sex" (on his 1973 album "Sunforest").
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 9:09 PM Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > "Love will get you through times of no money better than money will get you
> > > through times of no love"
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 8:55 PM Mark Mandel <markamandel at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > But notice the swapping of order /superiority between the two quotations.
> > > >
> > > > Mark A. Mandel
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 8:40 PM Bill Mullins <amcombill at hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Sometime before 1984, Jerry Pournelle (an SF author who was a NYT
> > > > > bestseller but never won a Hugo award) said "Money will get you through
> > > > > times of no Hugos better than Hugos will get you through times of no
> > > > money."
> > > > >
> > > > > He was preceded by cartoonist Gilbert Shelton, whose character
> > > > > Freewheelin' Franklin Freak (of the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers) said
> > > > > "Grass will carry you through times of no money better than money will
> > > > > carry you through times of no grass." (1969 or before) (usually quoted
> > > as
> > > > > "dope will get you through  . . .")
> > > > >
> > > > > Is the Dope/grass version the ur-text?  or are they both riffing off
> > > > > something earlier, of which I am not aware?
> > > > >
> > >
> >
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