[Ads-l] Wokeness and the English language

Fri Oct 22 11:43:55 UTC 2021

I remember learning the term about that time and my memory is that it was new in common US usage (whether or not attested earlier). I think we just had spaghetti and macaroni and noodles before then. 

Michael Everson
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> On 22 Oct 2021, at 11:34, Shapiro, Fred <fred.shapiro at yale.edu> wrote:
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> Like Wilson, I was struck by Lewis's strange line about "pasta."  I don't know whether he was basing his "never before 1980" statement on his own memories or on some erroneous Google Ngram, but is it possible that this great champion of the traditional English language is ignorant of the existence of the Oxford English Dictionary ?  The OED has lots of citations for "pasta" going back to the early 1800s.
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> Fred Shapiro
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> "no one said _pasta_ before about 1980"
> - Michael Lewis
> 
> Clearly,  he means that no one _wrote_ "pasta" before about 1980. And his
> encomium yo James Brown is also ill-conceived.it was the Black Panther
> Party, especially Stokeley Carmichael, H. Rap Brown, and Malcolm X, who
> made "black" cool and hip, no longer a gross insult cringeworthy and
> hurtful enough, at one time, to bring tears in schoolyards and playgrounds.
> Richard Pryor had those days inn mind, when he quipped, "I'm not black. I'm
> colored!"
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>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 8:08 PM David Daniel <dad at coarsecourses.com> wrote:
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>> Well, what scared me about the article is that it described what I have
>> observed. I saw no claims that were beyond the reality I have observed. I
>> just had not read anything that gathered them all together. If he missed
>> some linguistic history, I don't think that affects the value of his
>> comments about present events. Cancel-culture linguistic mania is way over
>> the top, and social media is allowing the tail to wag the dog. "One guy
>> with
>> a twitter account..."
>> DAD
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>> =0AI had respect for Michael Lewis, but not only does he demonstrate
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