[Ads-l] famous or infamous?

[Dan Goncharoff]

He is infamous (to Trump supporters) for telling Trump no on that phone
call.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2022, 7:23 PM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I don't think being on the receiving end of something can be judged
> "infamous" in the standard sense.
>
> JL
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 3:00 PM Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I have always understood "infamous" to mean "well known for doing
> something
> > bad", which accurately describes Trump supporters' views of Brad
> > Raffensberger.
> > DanG
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 10:10 AM Jonathan Lighter <
> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > More paradigmatic:
> > >
> > > CNN reporter Marshall Cohen says that "Brad Raffensberger...is famous,
> or
> > > infamous, for being on the receiving end of Donald Trump's wild phone
> > call
> > > ...cajoling him to help steal the election here in Georgia."
> > >
> > > "Infamous" appears to mean no more than "well-known but not deserving
> of
> > > true fame."
> > >
> > > JL
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 5:57 AM Jonathan Lighter <
> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > So I'm not the only one who hasn't seen the movie.
> > > >
> > > > JL
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 3:59 AM Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> > Fort Lee, VA, not Fort Lee, NJ
> > > >>
> > > >> Fort Bragg, CA, and Fort Bragg, NC cause similar problems.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 2:24 PM Ben Zimmer <bgzimmer at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 1:57 PM Laurence Horn <
> > laurence.horn at yale.edu
> > > >
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > > On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
> > > >> wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
> > > >> > > wrote:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Paradigm case.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Yahoo News:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > "Fort Lee is named for Gen. Robert E. Lee, the infamous
> > > Confederate
> > > >> > > > commander."
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > It would have been easier (and less condescending to
> everybody)
> > > >> just to
> > > >> > > > leave out the value judgment (if that's what is).
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > JL
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > If also would have been easier and less condescending if they’d
> > > >> realized
> > > >> > > Fort Lee is actually named for General Charles Lee, who served
> > under
> > > >> > > Washington.  I remembered that from one of those McCullogh books
> > > about
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > > Revolutionary War, and wikipedia confirms.  Now Charles Lee
> > himself
> > > >> was
> > > >> > > both famous and infamous (
> > > >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Lee_(general)),
> > court-martial
> > > >> and
> > > >> > > all, but for insubordination and other alleged offenses, not
> > > including
> > > >> > > being a Confederate commander. That would have been no mean
> feat,
> > > >> since
> > > >> > he
> > > >> > > was dead by the end of 1782.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The news article JL quoted is about Fort Lee, VA, not Fort Lee,
> NJ.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://www.businessinsider.com/military-bases-named-after-confederate-leaders-2020-6
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --bgz
> > > >> >
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