[Ads-l] Antedating of "Folk Rock"

[Shapiro, Fred]

Great find, Garson.  I didn't even think to look that early, Dylan and the Byrds seemed obvious choices as the progenitors.

Fred Shapiro


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Subject: Re: Antedating of "Folk Rock"

Fun topic, Fred. Following your lead I found a pertinent match in 1963.

Date: November 2, 1963
Periodical: Billboard
Article: Pop Spotlight: The Glencoves
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[Begin excerpt]
POP SPOTLIGHT
THE GLENCOVES
DEVIL'S WAITIN'
(Jay, ASCAP) (2:18)-Select 727
Powerhouse singing and swinging from the group with a wide open folk-rock sound.
[End excerpt

Garson

On Sun, Jul 2, 2023 at 2:43 PM Shapiro, Fred <fred.shapiro at yale.edu> wrote:
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> I should have typed "developing in contemporary pop music."
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> Fred Shapiro
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> ________________________________
> From: Shapiro, Fred <fred.shapiro at yale.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2023 2:41 PM
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> Subject: Antedating of "Folk Rock"
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> I have discovered the earliest known occurrences of "jazz," "ragtime," and the names of almost every other genre of popular music.  Here's another one:
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> folk rock (OED 1965 [17 Sept.])
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> 1965 _Billboard_ 12 June 1/1 (ProQuest)  With Bob Dylan as the stimulus and the Byrds as disciples, a wave of folk-rock is developing for contemporary pop music.
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> Fred Shapiro
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From: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> on behalf of ADSGarson O'Toole <adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM>
Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2023 3:27 PM
To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Antedating of "Folk Rock"

Fun topic, Fred. Following your lead I found a pertinent match in 1963.

Date: November 2, 1963
Periodical: Billboard
Article: Pop Spotlight: The Glencoves
https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fid%3DUAsEAAAAMBAJ%26q%3D%2522folk%2Brock%2522%23v%3Dsnippet%26&data=05%7C01%7Cfred.shapiro%40YALE.EDU%7C6859a0b6665344cfa3f608db7b32816e%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638239229082039838%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=vodND63WyNq7PaNCStumxas%2BCoJDuwRdMapzzPepGBE%3D&reserved=0<https://books.google.com/books?id=UAsEAAAAMBAJ&q=%22folk+rock%22#v=snippet&>

[Begin excerpt]
POP SPOTLIGHT
THE GLENCOVES
DEVIL'S WAITIN'
(Jay, ASCAP) (2:18)-Select 727
Powerhouse singing and swinging from the group with a wide open folk-rock sound.
[End excerpt

Garson

On Sun, Jul 2, 2023 at 2:43 PM Shapiro, Fred <fred.shapiro at yale.edu> wrote:
>
> I should have typed "developing in contemporary pop music."
>
> Fred Shapiro
>
> ________________________________
> From: Shapiro, Fred <fred.shapiro at yale.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2023 2:41 PM
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> Subject: Antedating of "Folk Rock"
>
> I have discovered the earliest known occurrences of "jazz," "ragtime," and the names of almost every other genre of popular music.  Here's another one:
>
> folk rock (OED 1965 [17 Sept.])
>
> 1965 _Billboard_ 12 June 1/1 (ProQuest)  With Bob Dylan as the stimulus and the Byrds as disciples, a wave of folk-rock is developing for contemporary pop music.
>
> Fred Shapiro
>
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