[Ads-l] Idiom: right off the bat

[Stephen Goranson]

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... Ellis followed, and proved that lie is not gone buck in his play, making some excellent batting, ami was eventually beautifully caught bv Knight right off tbo bat—a catch which made up for a slight favxjMis which be had just previously mode, when, instead ...

Published: Saturday 08 June 1861
Newspaper: Sussex Agricultural Express<https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results?newspaperTitle=Sussex%20Agricultural%20Express>
County: Sussex, England
may mean
I was misinformed
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I've just checked British Library Newspapers ("45,923,019 documents").

Literal exx. in cricket begin in 1880.

The earliest figurative ex. I see is in a slangy 1905 article reprinted
from the Indianapolis News to show (once again) how Americans are ruining
the language. (Nottingham Evening Post, May 10, p. 2.)

JL

On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 8:28 AM Stephen Goranson <goranson at duke.edu> wrote:

> Right off hand, top of my head, I'd guess cricket before baseball.
> British Newspaper Archive might help were I subscribed.
> sg
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> 1869 National Republican (June 26) (Washington, D.C.) 4: Colonel Jones was
> then a victim to George Wright, who took his ball right off the bat and
> sent it in to Gould before the lively Colonel could get there.
>
> 1870 Chicago Republican (Aug. 2) 4: Malone out on a foul tip to Craver,
> taken right off the bat.
>
> 1870 Chicago Tribune (Sept. 6) 3: Foley took a back seat on a shart [sic]
> tip by King right off the bat.
>
>  1888 Plain Dealer (Cleveland, O.) (Aug. 5) 10: Let me hear that kid use
> slang again, and I'll give it to him right off the bat. I'll wipe up the
> floor with him.
>
> JL
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> On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 6:00 PM ADSGarson O'Toole <
> adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > I was asked during a family gathering about the idiom "right off the
> > bat". Here is an analysis from Grammarist:
> >
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> > [Begin excerpt]
> > Right off the bat means immediately, right away or from the very
> > beginning. The phrase right off the bat is assumed to have come from
> > the American game of baseball. In baseball, when a batter makes
> > contact with the ball with his bat, he must quickly run to first base
> > before the opposing team can get that ball to first base. The term
> > right off the bat was first used in the 1880s, with literal and
> > figurative usage.
> > [End excerpt]
> >
> > The OED has some citations.
> >
> > [Begin excerpt]
> > 3. d. In baseball, the implement used to strike the ball or the act of
> > using it; esp, in phrases at bat, hot (or right) off the bat, to (the)
> > bat; also figurative. North American.
> > . . .
> > 1914   Maclean's Feb. 135/2   Get one that chums-up with your spirit
> > right off the bat, natural like.
> >
> > 1955   New Yorker 21 May 76/3   You can tell right off the bat that
> > they're wicked, because they keep eating grapes indolently.
> > [End excerpt]
> >
> > I would be interested in seeing early literal and figurative uses. How
> > did the meaning "immediately" evolve?
> >
> > Garson
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