[Ads-l] Origin of the Phrase "Separation of Church and State"

[ADSGarson O'Toole]

 Here is a match for "the separation of the Church from the State is
necessary" in 1796.

Date: August 6, 1796
Newspaper: Oxford Journal
Newspaper Location: Oxfordshire, England
Article: Foreign News, Hague, August 5, [From The Leyden Gazette]
Quote Page 2, Column 1
Database: British Newspaper Archive

[Begin excerpt - please double check]
"The National Assembly having resumed their deliberations on the
propositions made by Ploos Van Amstel, on the 23rd of May last, and
the report made on the same subject on the 1st of July following, and
being of opinion that, although no Society can exist, much less
flourish, where Religion is not respected, where virtue and morality
are not encouraged; yet that the separation of the Church from the
State is necessary, in a country where true Liberty fixes her abode .
. .
[End excerpt]

In the previous message the date was incorrect. I should have been this:

Date: February 6 to 8, 1798 (Corrected date)
Periodical: The London Chronicle
Article: Foreign Intelligence [From the Court Gazette]
Date on report: January 20, 1798
Location: Hague
Page 135, Column 2
Database: Google Books
https://books.google.com/books?id=P6fib66KAvMC&q=%22church+from+the+state%22#v=snippet


Garson

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 10:11 PM ADSGarson O'Toole
<adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Interesting topic, Fred. Excellent citations.
> There is a slightly different version of the expression in "The London
> Chronicle". The date of the report from the Hague is January 20, 1798.
> The phrase is "The Separation of the Church from the State".
>
> Date: February 6 to 8, 1989
> Periodical: The London Chronicle
> Article: Foreign Intelligence [From the Court Gazette]
> Date on report: January 20, 1798
> Location: Hague
> Page 135, Column 2
> Database: Google Books
> https://books.google.com/books?id=P6fib66KAvMC&q=%22church+from+the+state%22#v=snippet
>
> [Begin excerpt - please double check]
> Yesterday the Convention decreed the Fundamental Principles of the New
> Constitution in the following seven articles:--
>
> 1. The Rights of Man.
> 2. Civic Equality and Liberty.
> 3. Unity and Indivisibility.
> 4. Incorporation of the Finances and Debts of the Provinces.
> 5. The Establishment of an energetic but responsible Executive.
> 6 .The Rights of the People to alter the Constitution.
> 7. The Separation of the Church from the State.
> [End excerpt]
>
> Garson
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 8:21 AM Shapiro, Fred <fred.shapiro at yale.edu> wrote:
> >
> > OED does not have an entry for the phrase "separation of church and state," although there is a citation for it in the entry for "separation."  This phrase is commonly traeed to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson.
> >
> > Newspapers.com retrieves a 1798 occurrence of "separation of church and state" in the Evening Mail (London), 7 Feb. at page 3.  These words appear in a report of a convention at the Hague.
> >
> > Fred Shapiro
> >
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