[Ads-l] Fw: Thinking class / Cognitive class / Knowledge class

[Dan Goncharoff]

Most people express viewpoints as viewpoints, not declarative statements.

On Sat, Feb 10, 2024, 5:31 AM Z S <zrice3714 at gmail.com> wrote:

> My first sentence was my viewpoint, and I said what I said. You can reserve
> your opinion for someone who values it.
>
> If you can recall my earlier John Henrik Clarke quote, then you already
> know this will be the last time I address you or read anything with which
> you respond.
>
> Kind regards,
> Zola S.
>
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 2:46 AM Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You first sentence is a false assumption. Everything else follows,
> > incorrectly.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 9, 2024, 3:28 PM Z S <zrice3714 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "Knowledge worker" implicitly suggests other professions do not involve
> > the
> > > utilization of knowledge. The definition is not in question, the term
> is.
> > > It's rather inelegant, patronizing (as mentioned earlier here regarding
> > > such terms), and not at all precise. It sounds like it's derived from a
> > > time in which the majority worked in factories or fields.
> > >
> > > As a side note, Oxford states:
> > > knowledge worker: a person whose job involves handling or using
> > > information.
> > >
> > > Coincidentally, "Thinking people" occurs in the translation of the
> recent
> > > Putin interview.
> > >
> > > "This is an obvious fact and *thinking people -* not Philistines, but
> > > thinking people...analysts, those who are engaged in real politics,
> just
> > > *smart
> > > people* - understand perfectly well that this is a fake."
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Zola S.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 8:36 PM Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > All jobs require some knowledge.
> > > >
> > > > Some jobs require only knowledge. Those are done by knowledge
> workers.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2024, 12:18 PM Z S <zrice3714 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'm not convinced that the two are parallel. Cognition/thought and
> > > > > knowledge are basic to all human beings - hence the term *homo
> > > sapiens*.
> > > > > Even the farmer has specialized, scientific knowledge...so does the
> > > > cement
> > > > > worker (in the case of the documentary). If you put any of us in
> the
> > > > > Amazon, we most likely lack the inherited, cumulative body of
> > > > specialized,
> > > > > scientific knowledge required to survive more than a year. The
> tailor
> > > in
> > > > > Italy or the home seamstress/pattern drafter possesses a
> specialized
> > > > > knowledge of geometry, arithmetic, space, and form (as well as
> > anatomy)
> > > > > that allows him or her the ability to create or manipulate 3D
> objects
> > > by
> > > > > using complex calculations and a flat surface. If you put any of us
> > > > > (without their specialized knowledge) in their place of work, we'd
> > > likely
> > > > > come away with a sarong or toga, at best.
> > > > >
> > > > > On the other hand, many people will easily admit to lacking
> > creativity
> > > -
> > > > > and it has no implications as far as class or intelligence, nor
> does
> > it
> > > > > dehumanize. Some jobs don't demand creativity and try to outright
> > > > prohibit
> > > > > it! However, all jobs require knowledge, human thought, or
> > "cognition".
> > > > >
> > > > > Knowledge worker, thinking class, cognitive class, knowledge class
> -
> > > > > they're terms that 1) diminish the the skills and knowledge
> necessary
> > > for
> > > > > various professions and economic classes and 2) dehumanize
> > > > (understatement)
> > > > > by denying the very existence of knowledge and human thought among
> > > > specific
> > > > > classes and professions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Zola S.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 1:33 PM Amy West <medievalist at w-sts.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > It calls to mind the parallel construction "creative class".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---Amy West
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 2/7/24 12:00 AM, ADS-L automatic digest system wrote:
> > > > > > > Date:    Tue, 6 Feb 2024 23:24:50 +0100
> > > > > > > From:    Z S<zrice3714 at GMAIL.COM>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Fw: Thinking class / Cognitive class / Knowledge
> > class
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just confirmed a suspicion: in the documentary*Spies of
> > > Mississippi*,
> > > > > one
> > > > > > > of the witnesses states that her uncle, B.L. Bell, referred to
> > his
> > > > > class
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > "the thinking class people". (I just went back and scrubbed
> > through
> > > > the
> > > > > > > film to check.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (Timestamp 17:07 to 17:42)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://youtu.be/JX925i-llQk?feature=shared&t=1027
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > These terms sound as antiquated as they are. Interesting - to
> say
> > > the
> > > > > > least
> > > > > > > - that they're so freely used today by the media.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > Zola Sohna
> > > > > >
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