[Ads-l] Antedating of "goggle-eyed pike" (OED 1890)

[Jesse Sheidlower]

DARE has a very extensive entry, showing scientific names as well, under _goggle-eye_, which includes examples of _goggle-eyed_ adj. Senses 1.a.(1) and (3) include _goggle-eye(d) perch_, identified as a rock bass and a crappie respectively, though not as early as this example. But both of them appear to be different from _goggle-eyed pike_.

(The overall earliest in this entry is 1840 for _goggle-eye_ n. referring to a rock bass. They also cover _goggle-eye(d) jack_ and a bunch of other things.)

Anyway I personally wouldn't know the difference between a perch and a shark, which is why I try to stay out of the water, but people interested in this subject should look at the DARE entry.

Jesse Sheidlower

On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 07:53:22AM -0400, ADSGarson O'Toole wrote:
> The OED lists only two goggle-eyed fish: goggle-eyed Jack and goggle-eyed pike.
> 
> [Begin excerpt from OED]
> goggle-eyed adjective
> Having prominent, staring or rolling eyes; also, squint-eyed. Also figurative.
> [End excerpt from OED]
> 
> [Begin excerpt from OED]
> goggle-eyed pike, the pike-perch, Stizostedion americanum (or S. vitreum).
> [End excerpt from OED]
> 
> Here is a citation for goggle-eyed perch in 1854. I do not know the
> scientific name of this fish. So I do not know if it is related to the
> goggle-eyed pike.
> 
> Date: September 1, 1854
> Newspaper: Republican Banner (The Tennessean)
> Newspaper Location: Nashville, Tennessee
> Article: A Visit To The Highlands
> Quote Page 2, Column 4
> Database: Newspapers.com
> 
> https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-tennessean/46957445/
> 
> [Begin excerpt]
> At the foot of the largest falls, deep broad pools are formed, where
> sportsmen frequently resort to catch the mountain trout and
> goggle-eyed perch. Taken as a whole, the wild and variegated scenery
> reaches the sublime.
> [End excerpt]
> 
> Garson
> 
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 3:03 AM John Doe <aidanfoutsisjohndoe at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > c. 1857 Jan Will. Wills Old Times Charley [...] began to consider visitors
> > [...] as intruders and nuisances come to interrupt the completion of a
> > magnificent goggle-eyed pike fly, as large as a sparrow[.]
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Old_Times_a_novel_With_illustrations_by/TElWAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22goggle-eyed+pike%22&pg=RA1-PA343&printsec=frontcover
> >
> > (Approx. date comes from the cover of the issue that contains cite, as well
> > as the front-matter for book, which says it was bound in Feb. 1857. Any
> > proof of my claim would be greatly appreciated.)
> >
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