[Ads-l] The cat's pajamas (1920) [Was: the bee's knees (1920)]

Sun Mar 24 15:04:21 UTC 2024

That's an error on the part of Newspapers.com. A page from another date (and maybe another paper?) has been inserted into the issue for 6 Feb 1918. 

The other pages in this issue are the correct ones.

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Interesting topic, Bonnie and Dave. Here is a citation for "cat's
pajamas" in 1918 I just came across, but I did not find it first.
Peter Reitan clipped it earlier this month.

Date: February 6, 1918
Newspaper: The Pageland Journal
Newspaper Location: Pageland, South Carolina
Article: The Efficiency Girl
Author: I. Wright
Quote Page 6, Column 1
Database: Newspapers.com
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-pageland-journal/142506229/

[Begin excerpt]
The boss upstairs has seen him work before and he's told him that he
can have any one in the whole place he wants to assist him. Wouldn't
that beat the cat's pajamas? The efficiency girl! I-"
[End excerpt]

Garson

On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 6:59 AM dave at wilton.net <dave at wilton.net> wrote:
>
>
> I've found "cat's pajamas" from 17 July 1919. It's in a unit newsletter published by an Army hospital in Denver, an article about the unit's baseball team playing a team from the local Armour meat company:
>
> “Wieners, Fried Bacon, Salisbury Steaks for Loyal Rooters.” ’Tenshun, 21! (US Army General Hospital 21, Denver, Colorado), 17 July 1919, 1/6. ProQuest Magazines.
>
> “Say Medina,” said he, “this ball team of mine needs a lotta practice; so I’d like to have ’em come out here to the Coop every Thursday evening and stage a game with the soldiers boys. When we come out, we’ll bring something for the boys every time—some Armour food product you know. We’ll also bring along a couplea [sic] stoves on which we can cook the stuff and serve the hot wienies, fried ham sandwiches and such delectable food. Whad’ye say?”
>
> Well, what else could O’Brien’s Helper say but that he thought it would be the cat’s pajamas to have feed like that dished up to the fellows every Thursday.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Bonnie Taylor-Blake" <b.taylorblake at GMAIL.COM>
> Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 5:17pm
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> Subject: [ADS-L] The cat's pajamas (1920) [Was: the bee's knees (1920)]
>
>
>
> Several years ago, Ben shared with us this early use of "the bee's knees."
>
> > https://www.newspapers.com/clip/24666781/bees_knees/
> > San Francisco Examiner, July 5, 1920, p. 2, col. 6
> > First Delegate: "Well, now ain't that the bee's knees! Why, I'm having a
> > swell time here, Swell. This is a great town."
>
> That piece, by Damon Runyan (!), may also contain the earliest
> sighting yet (until someone corrects me) of "the cat's pajamas."
>
> I see that Jonathan Green shares a July 1921 usage of "the cat's
> pajamas" as his earliest example of the expression. (Last I checked,
> the OED had 1923.)
>
> https://greensdictofslang.com/entry/65sizni
>
> There, Jonathan notes that it was "coined, like many other similar
> terms, by the US sportwriter T.A. ‘Tad’ Dorgan (1877–1929)." (Dorgan
> was also a cartoonist.) That Dorgan often gets credit for this coinage
> (and others) likely stems from W.L. Werner's "Tad Dorgan Is Dead,"
> American Speech, Volume 4, Number 6 (August 1929), p. 430. Werner
> lists "cat's pajamas" as "among the terms which the daily press
> credits Mr. Dorgan with inventing," though -- as others have pointed
> out -- Dorgan reused a lot of slang that he had heard from others.
>
> Anyway, Runyan's sketch
> (https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-san-francisco-examiner-cats-pajama/142309144/)
> uses "[ain't that] the cat's pajamas" four times, in addition to one
> "the bee's knees." He also has his character saying, "the turkey's
> tracks," "the horse's necktie," and "the beetle's business," but those
> don't seem to have taken off. (This syndicated piece appeared in
> several newspapers across the country.)
>
> Just below I've tacked on a few other appearances of "the cat's
> pajamas" that predate that July 1921 usage. (BTW, at newspapers.com
> there seems to be a 1918 sighting of "the cat's pajamas," but it's
> misdated.)
>
> Finally, "the kitten's pajamas" was a thing, too, but I haven't found
> instances of it appearing before 1921.
>
> -- Bonnie
>
> ----------------------------
>
> Ain't that the cat's pajamas!
>
> [A comment appended to a reprinting of "a New York clipping" about an
> upcoming bout between boxers Sammy Good and Barney Adair, in The San
> Francisco Call, 25 September 1920, p. 17, bottom of column 6.
> https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=SFC19200925.2.280&srpos=1&e=-------en--20--1-byDA-txt-txIN-%22cat%27s+pajamas%22-------
> ]
>
> ----------------------------
>
> "Yes, that's the cat's pajamas, Sam!" nodded Jim Stubb ...
>
> [In "Up State Statistics Disclose Holiday Trade," Tobacco,16 December
> 1920, p. 37. https://www.google.com/books/edition/Tobacco/ZgduqXKNrLsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22cat's%20pajamas%22&pg=RA5-PA3&printsec=frontcover]
>
> ----------------------------
>
> "King" writes from Smith Thompson at Sebastopol, Russia, "While we
> don't exactly claim to be the old cat's pajamas in everything still we
> will not let the Alden pull a lot of bull about her class as a
> baseball team. The Alden is not the best baseball ship in these parts.
> The Chattanooga is and the Smith Thompson is a close second. We are
> the best of the little packets known as the Black Sea Express. Pie and
> cake five times a week. That's us."
>
> [In "U.S.S. Smith Thompson," Our Navy; the Standard Publication of the
> United States Navy, January 1921, p. 25,
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Our_Navy_the_Standard_Publication_of_the/FIM9AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22cat's%20pajamas%22&pg=RA8-PA25&printsec=frontcover]
>
> ----------------------------
>
> BTW, "the cat's pajamas" also appeared in "Henry," Russell Cole's
> comic strip, in May 1921,
> https://www.newspapers.com/article/des-moines-tribune-cats-pajamas-comi/142315748/
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 3:22 PM Ben Zimmer <bgzimmer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > HDAS and OED have "the bee's knees" in the sense of "a superlative
> > person/thing" from 1923. GDoS has it from 1922 (except for one questionable
> > outlier -- see below), and Hugo gives some additional cites from that year
> > in this English Stack Exchange thread:
> >
> > https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/47088/where-does-the-phrase-the-bees-knees-originate-from
> >
> > In that same thread, Phil M. Jones cites an example from 1920:
> >
> > ---
> > The National, Nov.-Dec. 1920, p. 358, col. 3
> > "How Movie Dope is Written," by Stewart Arnold Wright
> > For lack of something better, I said to [Ernest] Hilliard, "Well, what do
> > you think of this 'Annabel Lee' picture?"
> > "It's the bee's knees," he replied. "If it doesn't knock Broadway on its
> > ear, I'll kiss your Adam's apple in Wanamaker's display window at 12
> > o'clock noon."
> > https://books.google.com/books?id=ytVOAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA358
> > ---
> >
> > Here it is earlier in 1920, quoting a delegate to the Democratic National
> > Convention in San Francisco:
> >
> > ---
> > https://www.newspapers.com/clip/24666781/bees_knees/
> > San Francisco Examiner, July 5, 1920, p. 2, col. 6
> > First Delegate: "Well, now ain't that the bee's knees! Why, I'm having a
> > swell time here, Swell. This is a great town."
> > ---
> >
> > Even earlier that year, in the Feb. 8, 1920 issue of the St. Louis
> > Post-Dispatch, there are references to a vaudeville show called "The Bee's
> > Knees" (presented by Joe Laurie, Jr.), but there's no indication of whether
> > the show used it in the superlative sense or for some other fanciful
> > purpose.
> >
> > https://www.newspapers.com/clip/24668442/the_bees_knees/
> > https://www.newspapers.com/clip/24668460/the_bees_knees/
> >
> > I don't see anything clearly related to the superlative sense before that,
> > though "bee's knees" did appear in various contexts as a kind of nonsense
> > phrase, as noted by Hugo on English Stack Exchange as well as by The Phrase
> > Finder:
> >
> > https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/the-bees-knees.html
> >
> > GDoS has a dubious cite dated to 1905 in a letter by the Australian folk
> > singer Duke Tritton:
> >
> > ---
> > 1905 Duke Tritton's Letter n.p.: I'm teaching Mary and all the Tin Lids in
> > the district to Dark An' Dim, and they reckon I'm the bees knees, ants
> > pants and nits tits all rolled into one.
> > ---
> >
> > The full text of the rhyming-slang-stuffed letter can be found here:
> >
> > https://www.tsukuba-g.ac.jp/library/kiyou/98/12.yokose.pdf
> >
> > On Twitter, Jonathon Green says that further research has dated the letter
> > to "somewhere in the teens":
> >
> > https://twitter.com/MisterSlang/status/1053315085228224513
> >
> > But even that would be an outlier given that there's no US evidence before
> > 1920 (and there's no evidence that the superlative meaning of the phrase
> > came from Australia). So either it's a case of independent invention, or
> > Duke Tritton's letter was actually written later, in the '20s.
> >
> > --bgz
> >
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