[Ads-l] Antedating of "Sack" (U.S. Football, Verb and Noun)

Mon May 6 18:54:30 UTC 2024

Outstanding work, Peter !

Fred

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Sack, as a verb, in 1966.

Indianapolis News, October 17, 1966, page 28. Newspapers.com
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[Begin Excerpt]After sacking Naponic in the end zone for the safety early, with Pont-recruited Jim Sniadecki the lead man, the Hoosiers got into Illini territory often but could only score once when Stavroff lofted a high pass to Terry Cole . . . .[End Excerpt]

Austin American-Statesman, October 14, 1966, page 25.
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[Begin Excerpt]Neely is a 275-pound hunk of beefcake who NFL pass rushers have found impossible to digest on their way to sacking the quarterback.[End Excerpt]

There were other uses of "sack" as a verb in sports reporting at the time, and in the years prior, which might be seen as predecessor analogs of the sense of tackling a quarterback for a loss, by capturing, beating up, or winning the play.

For example:

A team that beats another team soundly could be said to have "sacked" the team, similar, I suppose, to pillage.

[Begin Excerpt]Yucaipa showed its vulnerability to a press in the latter stages of its sacking of Coachella, but hung on to win handily.[End Excerpt]
San Bernardino County Sun, December 21, 1967, page E2.
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To capture a league or division championship or title of some sort, could be referred to as "sacking" the title.

[Begin Excerpt]In fact, in reaching the .500 bracket in pre-season play, the Rams have thrashed two Eastern Division clubs given excellent chances of sacking their division's title.[End Excerpt]
Long Beach Independent, August 30, 1966, page C2.
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Even just winning one game could be referred to as "sacking" a win.

[Begin Excerpt]A veteran of many perspiring Sundays in the Coliseum, Van Brocklin indeed used his noggin in sacking a win for Minnesota against the Rams, the one team in the NFL he enjoys beating the most.[End Excerpt]
Long Beach Press-Telegram, October 4, 1965, page C1.
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To sign a player to one's team could be referred to as "sacking up" that player.

[Begin Excerpt]And there's one lineman still left out in the field that just about everyone has hopes of sacking up.  He's Mickey Walker . . . .[End Excerpt]
The Austin American, June 15, 1958, page B7.
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In basketball, scoring points was referred to as "sacking" points.

[Begin Excerpt]Gerald Robinson, 6-4 senior center, was the big gun for Ranburne, sacking 33 points and controlling the backboards.[End Excerpt]
The Anniston Star (Alabama), January 19, 1957, page 10.
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Sometimes, scoring points was referred to as "sacking up" points, which was similar to fishing reports, in which catching fish was referred to as "sacking up" fish. Winning a game, or title, might also be "sacking up" the win, or the title.

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I don't think we have direct evidence that Deacon Jones was the one who
coined "sack," though he was clearly associated with the term early on.
That 2013 thread was initiated by Larry Horn because the coinage claim
appeared in obituaries for Jones at the time. Among the cites I gave was
this one quoting Deacon Jones using the noun "sack" (comparing himself to
Colts defensive end Bubba Smith):

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1968 Los Angeles Times 24 Oct. iii. 1/5 "I've been in the league eight
years; he's been in it only six weeks (Bubba was switched from tackle to
end at the start of the season). I believe I have more sacks (tackling the
quarterback) and more unassisted tackles than he does."
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And now we have Fred's Aug. 14, 1967 cite for the verb (in a new thread)
which mentions Jones as the one doing the sacking but doesn't credit him
with the coinage.

--bgz

On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 7:40=E2=80=AFAM Shapiro, Fred <fred.shapiro at yale.edu=
> wrote:

> Thanks to Garson and Ben !  Is there any evidence for the often-repeated
> claim that Deacon Jones coined "sack" ?
>
> Fred Shapiro
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> Subject: Re: Antedating of "Sack" (U.S. Football, Verb and Noun)
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> In a 2013 thread, Garson shared a 1967 cite for "sack" as a verb (after I
> supplied 1968 cites for the noun and verb).
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> Date: December 18, 1967
> Newspaper: The Independent
> Article title: Rams Stopped Unitas - And Won
> Author: Joe Hendrickson
> Quote Page: 16
> Column: 1
> Newspaper Location: Pasadena, California
> Database: NewspaperArchive
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> [Begin excerpt]
> The great Baltimore quarterback seldom has been "sacked" like this
> before-48 yards in losses when thrown behind the line of scrimmage at
> seven crucial times by the charging men of George Allen.
> [End excerpt]
>
> On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 8:06=E2=80=AFPM Shapiro, Fred <fred.shapiro at yale.e=
du>
> wrote:
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> > sack (OED, v.1 d., 1969)
> >
> > 1968 _Progress-Bulletin_ (Pomona, Cal.) 5 Apr. 3:1/1 (Newspapers.com)
> >
> > Jones sacked that opposing QB 26 times !
> >
> >
> > sack (OED, n.1 I.1.j., 1972)
> >
> > 1971 _Dayton Daily News_ 3 Sept. 11/1 (Newspapers.com)
> >
> > May ... relieved Reid against Pittsburgh and on his first play got cred=
it
> > for the first quarterback sack of the year.
>

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