[Ads-l] Antedating of "Ax" (Musical Instrument)

[Jonathan Lighter]

"Schlup" is more usually "schlub."

Earliest?:

1943 Norfolk [Va.] Ledger Dispatch (March 10) 14: Vy did der feuhrer efer
ally us mit such schlups!

JL



JL

On Wed, Aug 27, 2025 at 10:48 AM Stephen Goranson <
00001dd3d6fc15d3-dmarc-request at listserv.uga.edu> wrote:

> Speaking of a guitar as an ax, I experienced with my older brother a
> concert by Jimi Hendrix in Va. Beach in the Dome in 1968,
> at the end of which Hendrix used his guitar as if an ax to destroy amp
> equipment and the guitar itself.
>
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2025 at 3:12 PM Ben Zimmer <
> 00001aae0710f4b7-dmarc-request at listserv.uga.edu> wrote:
>
> > Ah, missed that the rest of the glossary is elsewhere on p. 2. Here it
> is:
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-greensboro-record-coolspeak-2b/179768056/
> >
> > "Potchkying" isn't defined, but "schlup" is glossed as "a no-good cat."
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 26, 2025 at 1:24 PM Andy Bach <
> > 00001cec09419685-dmarc-request at listserv.uga.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Would you post the last page with the rest of the definitions. I'm
> dying
> > to
> > > know "potchking" and "schlup" (though I've guess on that one ;-)?
> Okay,
> > > potchking is a Yiddishim (dawdling, stalling), though not sure why
> that'd
> > > get his face slapped. "schlup", aside from a person living by a
> mudhole,
> > > googles up nothing.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2025 at 8:43 AM Ben Zimmer <
> > > 00001aae0710f4b7-dmarc-request at listserv.uga.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > > As a courtesy to those without the requisite subscription (and to
> help
> > > keep
> > > > track of citations for future reference), it's always good to provide
> > > links
> > > > to Newspapers.com clippings. Here is the 1952 article on "Coolspeak"
> > with
> > > > an accompanying glossary that includes the "ax" definition.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-greensboro-record-coolspeak/179745638/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-greensboro-record-coolspeak-2/179745685/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2025 at 10:58 PM ADSGarson O'Toole <
> > > > 00001aa1be50b751-dmarc-request at listserv.uga.edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Personal subscriptions to Newspapers.com have been available with
> > > > different
> > > > > levels of access. The most comprehensive  includes a supplementary
> > > > database
> > > > > called publisher’s extra. The basic subscription did not include
> > > > > publisher’s extra. I do not know whether this system still exists.
> > > > >
> > > > > The company may now force new subscribers to obtain full access,
> but
> > > > legacy
> > > > > institutional subscriptions might not include the publisher’s extra
> > > > > database . Garson
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2025 at 2:35 AM Shapiro, Fred <
> > > > > 00001ac016895344-dmarc-request at listserv.uga.edu> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Stephen,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I got this citation through a personal subscription to
> > > > Newspapers.com.  I
> > > > > > believe the personal subscription covers sources not available
> > > through
> > > > > the
> > > > > > institutional access.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fred Shapiro
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> on
> behalf
> > of
> > > > > > Stephen Goranson <
> 00001dd3d6fc15d3-dmarc-request at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2025 5:15 PM
> > > > > > To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Antedating of "Ax" (Musical Instrument)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As a former trumpet player, this caught my eye. I failed to find
> it
> > > on
> > > > > > newspapers.com via Duke. Is this another case of different
> > versions
> > > > of a
> > > > > > search engine?
> > > > > > Ax from sax, then trumpet, before the electric guitar dominance
> era
> > > is
> > > > > > possible, I suppose, though I also wonder about the
> > > context--"usually"?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > sg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2025 at 4:13 PM Shapiro, Fred <
> > > > > > 00001ac016895344-dmarc-request at listserv.uga.edu> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ax (OED, n1, 5., 1955)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1952 Greensboro (N.C.) Record 24 May 1 / 4 (Newspapers.com0
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ax — A musical instrument; usually a trumpet.
> > >
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