[Ads-l] lie

Sat Mar 8 00:59:59 UTC 2025

A physics doc on YouTube informs us that the idea that a proton consists of
three quarks " is another lie they told you" in school.

A misconception or simplification.
JL

On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 9:18 PM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I read the book long ago. Yes, he meant the textbook authors were the
> "liars," because they simplified or glossed over various facts - primarily
> in books for teenagers.
>
> I suppose "lies" is catchier than "simplifications and omissions," but it
> certainly implies cynical deception.
>
> JL
>
> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 8:58 PM Baker, John <
> 000014a9c79c3f97-dmarc-request at listserv.uga.edu> wrote:
>
>> The book Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History
>> Textbook Got Wrong, by James W. Loewen (1995), may be responsible for the
>> popularization of this usage.  I have not read the book, but if I
>> understand Loewen’s point, his argument actually was that the lies were
>> those of the textbook authors (i.e., teachers were not necessarily lying).
>>
>>
>> John Baker
>>
>>
>>
>> From: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> On Behalf Of
>> Jonathan Lighter
>> Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2024 8:42 PM
>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: lie
>>
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>>
>>
>> "Easy Latin Lessons" on YouTube, Lesson 38:
>>
>> "Today's story contains a lie that you might have been taught in
>> elementary
>> school....And maybe the lie will help you remember the new words better."
>>
>> The so-called "lie" is the erroneous belief that educated people in 1492
>> thought the earth was flat.
>>
>> JL
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 7:28 AM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > "Thing You Were Lied to About Dinosaurs"
>> >
>> > Things You Were Lied to About Dinosaurs | Watch (msn.com)
>> > <
>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/things-you-were-lied-to-about-dinosaurs/vi-BB1lncBZ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ACTS&cvid=70b8d7bef09142f58a0cd0a74953d779&ei=11
>> <
>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/things-you-were-lied-to-about-dinosaurs/vi-BB1lncBZ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ACTS&cvid=70b8d7bef09142f58a0cd0a74953d779&ei=11
>> >>
>> >
>> > In this case the "lies" are "myths and misconceptions", e.g. "dinosaurs
>> > were green, scary monsters." (Great CGI, though.)
>> >
>> > JL
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 8:31 AM Jonathan Lighter <
>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com<mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://news.yahoo.com/seismic-shift-fractures-evangelicals-arkansas-185525279.html
>> <
>> https://news.yahoo.com/seismic-shift-fractures-evangelicals-arkansas-185525279.html
>> >
>> >> :
>> >>
>> >> “This mindset that Christianity and politics, and the preacher and
>> >> politics, need to be separate, that’s a lie,” he said.
>> >>
>> >> JL
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 8:30 PM Jonathan Lighter <
>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com<mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/22-things-were-taught-school-064603650.html<
>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/22-things-were-taught-school-064603650.html>
>> >>>
>> >>> "ROY G BIV Is A Lie, And 21 Other Fake 'Facts' Our Teachers Taught Us
>> >>> As Kids"
>> >>>
>> >>> JL
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 4:20 PM Jonathan Lighter <
>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com<mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Cf.:
>> >>>>
>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/horses-cnn-contributor-slams-networks-161600893.html
>> <
>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/horses-cnn-contributor-slams-networks-161600893.html
>> >
>> >>>> <
>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/horses-cnn-contributor-slams-networks-161600893.html
>> <
>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/horses-cnn-contributor-slams-networks-161600893.html
>> >>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "would you say that when you’re talking about a drug that has been
>> >>>> given out to billions and billions of people?” Rogan asked Gupta. “A
>> drug
>> >>>> that the inventors won a Nobel Prize in 2015, a drug that has been
>> shown to
>> >>>> stop viral replication in vitro. You know that, right? Why would
>> they lie
>> >>>> and say that’s horse dewormer? [...] Do you think that that's a
>> problem
>> >>>> that your news network lies?"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ivermectin, the drug at issue, *is* a horse dewormer. The terminology
>> >>>> was complicated by the fact that it's also prescribed for parasitic
>> river
>> >>>> blindness in humans. Rogan got a prescription for it (he doesn't
>> have river
>> >>>> blindness).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Said in passing by Don Lemon, the characterization "horse dewormer"
>> >>>> would more accurately be called a "misnomer" or even a "tendentious
>> choice
>> >>>> of words."
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But nowadays it's a "lie."
>> >>>>
>> >>>> JL
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 3:39 PM Mark Mandel <markamandel at gmail.com
>> <mailto:markamandel at gmail.com>>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> They lie flat, as opposed to flat-out lying
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> MAM. .
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 1:03 PM Jonathan Lighter <
>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com%0b>>>>>> >
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> > So you can't trust the inconstant moon either.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > I trust the flat-earthers. They have no reason to lie.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > JL
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:25 PM Mark Mandel <
>> markamandel at gmail.com<mailto:markamandel at gmail.com>>
>> >>>>> > wrote:
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > > Well, the Moon always lies *in the northern hemisphere*. In the
>> >>>>> Tropics
>> >>>>> > her
>> >>>>> > > path takes her through or near the zenith on her monthly
>> apparent
>> >>>>> journey
>> >>>>> > > from east to west and the edge of the shadow is roughly parallel
>> >>>>> to that
>> >>>>> > > line, so it depends on which way you're facing. And in the
>> southern
>> >>>>> > > hemisphere she tells the truth.
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > Mark A. Mandel
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 4:38 PM Laurence Horn <
>> >>>>> laurence.horn at yale.edu<mailto:laurence.horn at yale.edu>>
>> >>>>> > > wrote:
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > > > On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:03 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
>> >>>>> > wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM<mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>>
>> >>>>> > > > wrote:
>> >>>>> > > > >
>> >>>>> > > > >
>> >>>>>
>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/thought-knew-sun-color-lie-133422094.html<
>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/thought-knew-sun-color-lie-133422094.html>
>> >>>>> > :
>> >>>>> > > > >
>> >>>>> > > > > What You Thought You Knew About the Sun’s Color Is a Lie
>> >>>>> > > > >
>> >>>>> > > > > (People say it's yellow, but it's really white. Liars!)
>> >>>>> > > > >
>> >>>>> > > > > JL
>> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>>> > > > I don’t know—from the write-up it looks like it’s the sun
>> that's
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> > > > liar. I was told the moon always lies (it makes a capital D
>> >>>>> when it’s
>> >>>>> > > > crescent and a C when it’s decrescent), but apparently you
>> can’t
>> >>>>> trust
>> >>>>> > > any
>> >>>>> > > > heavenly bodies. Or even Springsteen:
>> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>>> > > > The piss-yellow sun
>> >>>>> > > > Comes bringing up the day
>> >>>>> > > > She said "Ain't nobody can give nobody
>> >>>>> > > > What they really need anyway”
>> >>>>> > > > (“Dry Lightning”)
>> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>>> > > > Is nothing sacred?
>> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>>> > > > LH
>> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>>> > > > >
>> >>>>> > > > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 10:19 AM Dan Goncharoff <
>> >>>>> thegonch at gmail.com<mailto:thegonch at gmail.com>>
>> >>>>> > > > wrote:
>> >>>>> > > > >
>> >>>>> > > > >> Interesting how one deals with opinions expressed as facts,
>> >>>>> > especially
>> >>>>> > > > when
>> >>>>> > > > >> they are found to be wrong later. Are they Schrodinger
>> >>>>> statements,
>> >>>>> > > only
>> >>>>> > > > >> found to be true or false once we "open the box"?
>> >>>>> > > > >>
>> >>>>> > > > >> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 10:05 AM Jonathan Lighter <
>> >>>>> > > wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com<mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> > > > >
>> >>>>> > > > >> wrote:
>> >>>>> > > > >>
>> >>>>> > > > >>> 'any idea or statement that is untrue or that one
>> disagrees
>> >>>>> with.'
>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>> >>>>> > > > >>> I've been hearing this a lot on cable news, though not
>> from
>> >>>>> > > > journalists.
>> >>>>> > > > >>> Ex.:
>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>> >>>>> > > > >>> Quora.com: "Electrons absolutely positively do not whizz
>> >>>>> around
>> >>>>> > the
>> >>>>> > > > >>> nucleus of an atom. That idea is a lie-to-children, a
>> >>>>> > simplification
>> >>>>> > > > told
>> >>>>> > > > >>> [to] young kids in grade school."
>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>> >>>>> > > > >>> CNN: "Rugged individualism is a lie."
>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>> >>>>> > > > >>> Also v.:
>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>> >>>>> > > > >>> Protest sign seen on FOX News: "FAUCI LIED PEOPLE DIED"
>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>> >>>>> > > > >>> JL
>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>> >>>>> > > > >>> --
>> >>>>> > > > >>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't
>> >>>>> handle the
>> >>>>> > > > >> truth."
>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>> >>>>> > > > >>>
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>> >>>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>> >>>> truth."
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>> >>> truth."
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>> >> truth."
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>> truth."
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>> truth."
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