[Ads-l] lie

Sat May 10 15:47:00 UTC 2025

Youtube show about Latin:

"The lie is that there were two languages: Classical Lantin and Vulgar
Latin."

Popular misconception.

JL

On Fri, Mar 7, 2025 at 7:59 PM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> A physics doc on YouTube informs us that the idea that a proton consists
> of three quarks " is another lie they told you" in school.
>
> A misconception or simplification.
> JL
>
> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 9:18 PM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I read the book long ago. Yes, he meant the textbook authors were the
>> "liars," because they simplified or glossed over various facts - primarily
>> in books for teenagers.
>>
>> I suppose "lies" is catchier than "simplifications and omissions," but it
>> certainly implies cynical deception.
>>
>> JL
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 8:58 PM Baker, John <
>> 000014a9c79c3f97-dmarc-request at listserv.uga.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> The book Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History
>>> Textbook Got Wrong, by James W. Loewen (1995), may be responsible for the
>>> popularization of this usage.  I have not read the book, but if I
>>> understand Loewen’s point, his argument actually was that the lies were
>>> those of the textbook authors (i.e., teachers were not necessarily lying).
>>>
>>>
>>> John Baker
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> On Behalf Of
>>> Jonathan Lighter
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2024 8:42 PM
>>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: lie
>>>
>>> External Email - Think Before You Click
>>>
>>>
>>> "Easy Latin Lessons" on YouTube, Lesson 38:
>>>
>>> "Today's story contains a lie that you might have been taught in
>>> elementary
>>> school....And maybe the lie will help you remember the new words better."
>>>
>>> The so-called "lie" is the erroneous belief that educated people in 1492
>>> thought the earth was flat.
>>>
>>> JL
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 7:28 AM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > "Thing You Were Lied to About Dinosaurs"
>>> >
>>> > Things You Were Lied to About Dinosaurs | Watch (msn.com)
>>> > <
>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/things-you-were-lied-to-about-dinosaurs/vi-BB1lncBZ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ACTS&cvid=70b8d7bef09142f58a0cd0a74953d779&ei=11
>>> <
>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/things-you-were-lied-to-about-dinosaurs/vi-BB1lncBZ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ACTS&cvid=70b8d7bef09142f58a0cd0a74953d779&ei=11
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > In this case the "lies" are "myths and misconceptions", e.g. "dinosaurs
>>> > were green, scary monsters." (Great CGI, though.)
>>> >
>>> > JL
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 8:31 AM Jonathan Lighter <
>>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com<mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> https://news.yahoo.com/seismic-shift-fractures-evangelicals-arkansas-185525279.html
>>> <
>>> https://news.yahoo.com/seismic-shift-fractures-evangelicals-arkansas-185525279.html
>>> >
>>> >> :
>>> >>
>>> >> “This mindset that Christianity and politics, and the preacher and
>>> >> politics, need to be separate, that’s a lie,” he said.
>>> >>
>>> >> JL
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 8:30 PM Jonathan Lighter <
>>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com<mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/22-things-were-taught-school-064603650.html<
>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/22-things-were-taught-school-064603650.html>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "ROY G BIV Is A Lie, And 21 Other Fake 'Facts' Our Teachers Taught Us
>>> >>> As Kids"
>>> >>>
>>> >>> JL
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 4:20 PM Jonathan Lighter <
>>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com<mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Cf.:
>>> >>>>
>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/horses-cnn-contributor-slams-networks-161600893.html
>>> <
>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/horses-cnn-contributor-slams-networks-161600893.html
>>> >
>>> >>>> <
>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/horses-cnn-contributor-slams-networks-161600893.html
>>> <
>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/horses-cnn-contributor-slams-networks-161600893.html
>>> >>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> "would you say that when you’re talking about a drug that has been
>>> >>>> given out to billions and billions of people?” Rogan asked Gupta.
>>> “A drug
>>> >>>> that the inventors won a Nobel Prize in 2015, a drug that has been
>>> shown to
>>> >>>> stop viral replication in vitro. You know that, right? Why would
>>> they lie
>>> >>>> and say that’s horse dewormer? [...] Do you think that that's a
>>> problem
>>> >>>> that your news network lies?"
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Ivermectin, the drug at issue, *is* a horse dewormer. The
>>> terminology
>>> >>>> was complicated by the fact that it's also prescribed for parasitic
>>> river
>>> >>>> blindness in humans. Rogan got a prescription for it (he doesn't
>>> have river
>>> >>>> blindness).
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Said in passing by Don Lemon, the characterization "horse dewormer"
>>> >>>> would more accurately be called a "misnomer" or even a "tendentious
>>> choice
>>> >>>> of words."
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> But nowadays it's a "lie."
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> JL
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 3:39 PM Mark Mandel <markamandel at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:markamandel at gmail.com>>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> They lie flat, as opposed to flat-out lying
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> MAM. .
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 1:03 PM Jonathan Lighter <
>>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com%0b>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> > So you can't trust the inconstant moon either.
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> > I trust the flat-earthers. They have no reason to lie.
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> > JL
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> > On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:25 PM Mark Mandel <
>>> markamandel at gmail.com<mailto:markamandel at gmail.com>>
>>> >>>>> > wrote:
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> > > Well, the Moon always lies *in the northern hemisphere*. In the
>>> >>>>> Tropics
>>> >>>>> > her
>>> >>>>> > > path takes her through or near the zenith on her monthly
>>> apparent
>>> >>>>> journey
>>> >>>>> > > from east to west and the edge of the shadow is roughly
>>> parallel
>>> >>>>> to that
>>> >>>>> > > line, so it depends on which way you're facing. And in the
>>> southern
>>> >>>>> > > hemisphere she tells the truth.
>>> >>>>> > >
>>> >>>>> > > Mark A. Mandel
>>> >>>>> > >
>>> >>>>> > >
>>> >>>>> > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 4:38 PM Laurence Horn <
>>> >>>>> laurence.horn at yale.edu<mailto:laurence.horn at yale.edu>>
>>> >>>>> > > wrote:
>>> >>>>> > >
>>> >>>>> > > > > On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:03 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
>>> >>>>> > wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM<mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>>
>>> >>>>> > > > wrote:
>>> >>>>> > > > >
>>> >>>>> > > > >
>>> >>>>>
>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/thought-knew-sun-color-lie-133422094.html<
>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/thought-knew-sun-color-lie-133422094.html>
>>> >>>>> > :
>>> >>>>> > > > >
>>> >>>>> > > > > What You Thought You Knew About the Sun’s Color Is a Lie
>>> >>>>> > > > >
>>> >>>>> > > > > (People say it's yellow, but it's really white. Liars!)
>>> >>>>> > > > >
>>> >>>>> > > > > JL
>>> >>>>> > > >
>>> >>>>> > > > I don’t know—from the write-up it looks like it’s the sun
>>> that's
>>> >>>>> the
>>> >>>>> > > > liar. I was told the moon always lies (it makes a capital D
>>> >>>>> when it’s
>>> >>>>> > > > crescent and a C when it’s decrescent), but apparently you
>>> can’t
>>> >>>>> trust
>>> >>>>> > > any
>>> >>>>> > > > heavenly bodies. Or even Springsteen:
>>> >>>>> > > >
>>> >>>>> > > > The piss-yellow sun
>>> >>>>> > > > Comes bringing up the day
>>> >>>>> > > > She said "Ain't nobody can give nobody
>>> >>>>> > > > What they really need anyway”
>>> >>>>> > > > (“Dry Lightning”)
>>> >>>>> > > >
>>> >>>>> > > > Is nothing sacred?
>>> >>>>> > > >
>>> >>>>> > > > LH
>>> >>>>> > > >
>>> >>>>> > > >
>>> >>>>> > > > >
>>> >>>>> > > > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 10:19 AM Dan Goncharoff <
>>> >>>>> thegonch at gmail.com<mailto:thegonch at gmail.com>>
>>> >>>>> > > > wrote:
>>> >>>>> > > > >
>>> >>>>> > > > >> Interesting how one deals with opinions expressed as
>>> facts,
>>> >>>>> > especially
>>> >>>>> > > > when
>>> >>>>> > > > >> they are found to be wrong later. Are they Schrodinger
>>> >>>>> statements,
>>> >>>>> > > only
>>> >>>>> > > > >> found to be true or false once we "open the box"?
>>> >>>>> > > > >>
>>> >>>>> > > > >> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 10:05 AM Jonathan Lighter <
>>> >>>>> > > wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com<mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>> > > > >
>>> >>>>> > > > >> wrote:
>>> >>>>> > > > >>
>>> >>>>> > > > >>> 'any idea or statement that is untrue or that one
>>> disagrees
>>> >>>>> with.'
>>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>>> >>>>> > > > >>> I've been hearing this a lot on cable news, though not
>>> from
>>> >>>>> > > > journalists.
>>> >>>>> > > > >>> Ex.:
>>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>>> >>>>> > > > >>> Quora.com: "Electrons absolutely positively do not whizz
>>> >>>>> around
>>> >>>>> > the
>>> >>>>> > > > >>> nucleus of an atom. That idea is a lie-to-children, a
>>> >>>>> > simplification
>>> >>>>> > > > told
>>> >>>>> > > > >>> [to] young kids in grade school."
>>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>>> >>>>> > > > >>> CNN: "Rugged individualism is a lie."
>>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>>> >>>>> > > > >>> Also v.:
>>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>>> >>>>> > > > >>> Protest sign seen on FOX News: "FAUCI LIED PEOPLE DIED"
>>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>>> >>>>> > > > >>> JL
>>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>>> >>>>> > > > >>> --
>>> >>>>> > > > >>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't
>>> >>>>> handle the
>>> >>>>> > > > >> truth."
>>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>>> >>>>> > > > >>>
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>>> >>>>> > > > > "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't
>>> >>>>> handle the
>>> >>>>> > > > truth."
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>>> >>>>> > "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle
>>> the
>>> >>>>> truth."
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>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>>> >>>> truth."
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>>> >>> truth."
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>>> >> truth."
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>>> truth."
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>>> truth."
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>> truth."
>>
>
>
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> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the truth."
>

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