[Ads-l] jive n. antedated to 1925

[Stephen Goranson]

Oops. Vaguely recalling this term had been addressed before, I attempted to search the archive, but I and/or the archive failed.
Glad you remember, Fred, and, of course, I would not have got on to H P Robertson's Murphy law stuff without your Anne Roe find.
I may have posted too quickly, as a break from trying to get something on Philo of Alexandria published.
Corrections welcome (just not now on Philo...).
Stephen
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Lately I seem to be making a fair amount of assertions that turn out to be erroneous, but let me hazard another assertion.  It seems to me that Stephen Goranson himself, as part of his great work on "jive," posted a 13 March 1925 noun citation for "jive."  I then posted that I was unable to improve upon his earliest citation for "jive" as a verb, but I had found a 28 Sept. 1924 noun usage.

Fred Shapiro

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Subject: jive n. antedated to 1925

Both OED and Green’s have 1926 for jive, n.
Here’s a Friday, Nov. 7, 1925 use. The Inter-State Tattler (NY, NY) reporting from Cleveland, Ohio. page 14. col. 1
America’s Historical Newspapers
Ray Smith, the Westinghouse boys have woke up on you and your line of jive. “you can fool some of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.”

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