[Ads-l] lie

Mon Jun 1 13:13:02 UTC 2026

This guy says "You've been lied to about sword-fighting."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJzEfF4Ab7k

'Unintentionally misled.'

A real sword fight only took a few seconds.

JL

On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 11:47 AM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Youtube show about Latin:
>
> "The lie is that there were two languages: Classical Lantin and Vulgar
> Latin."
>
> Popular misconception.
>
> JL
>
> On Fri, Mar 7, 2025 at 7:59 PM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> A physics doc on YouTube informs us that the idea that a proton consists
>> of three quarks " is another lie they told you" in school.
>>
>> A misconception or simplification.
>> JL
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 9:18 PM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I read the book long ago. Yes, he meant the textbook authors were the
>>> "liars," because they simplified or glossed over various facts - primarily
>>> in books for teenagers.
>>>
>>> I suppose "lies" is catchier than "simplifications and omissions," but
>>> it certainly implies cynical deception.
>>>
>>> JL
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 8:58 PM Baker, John <
>>> 000014a9c79c3f97-dmarc-request at listserv.uga.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The book Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History
>>>> Textbook Got Wrong, by James W. Loewen (1995), may be responsible for the
>>>> popularization of this usage.  I have not read the book, but if I
>>>> understand Loewen’s point, his argument actually was that the lies were
>>>> those of the textbook authors (i.e., teachers were not necessarily lying).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John Baker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> On Behalf Of
>>>> Jonathan Lighter
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2024 8:42 PM
>>>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>> Subject: Re: lie
>>>>
>>>> External Email - Think Before You Click
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Easy Latin Lessons" on YouTube, Lesson 38:
>>>>
>>>> "Today's story contains a lie that you might have been taught in
>>>> elementary
>>>> school....And maybe the lie will help you remember the new words
>>>> better."
>>>>
>>>> The so-called "lie" is the erroneous belief that educated people in 1492
>>>> thought the earth was flat.
>>>>
>>>> JL
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 7:28 AM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > "Thing You Were Lied to About Dinosaurs"
>>>> >
>>>> > Things You Were Lied to About Dinosaurs | Watch (msn.com)
>>>> > <
>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/things-you-were-lied-to-about-dinosaurs/vi-BB1lncBZ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ACTS&cvid=70b8d7bef09142f58a0cd0a74953d779&ei=11
>>>> <
>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/things-you-were-lied-to-about-dinosaurs/vi-BB1lncBZ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ACTS&cvid=70b8d7bef09142f58a0cd0a74953d779&ei=11
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > In this case the "lies" are "myths and misconceptions", e.g.
>>>> "dinosaurs
>>>> > were green, scary monsters." (Great CGI, though.)
>>>> >
>>>> > JL
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 8:31 AM Jonathan Lighter <
>>>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com<mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> https://news.yahoo.com/seismic-shift-fractures-evangelicals-arkansas-185525279.html
>>>> <
>>>> https://news.yahoo.com/seismic-shift-fractures-evangelicals-arkansas-185525279.html
>>>> >
>>>> >> :
>>>> >>
>>>> >> “This mindset that Christianity and politics, and the preacher and
>>>> >> politics, need to be separate, that’s a lie,” he said.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> JL
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 8:30 PM Jonathan Lighter <
>>>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com<mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/22-things-were-taught-school-064603650.html<
>>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/22-things-were-taught-school-064603650.html>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> "ROY G BIV Is A Lie, And 21 Other Fake 'Facts' Our Teachers Taught
>>>> Us
>>>> >>> As Kids"
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> JL
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 4:20 PM Jonathan Lighter <
>>>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com<mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Cf.:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/horses-cnn-contributor-slams-networks-161600893.html
>>>> <
>>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/horses-cnn-contributor-slams-networks-161600893.html
>>>> >
>>>> >>>> <
>>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/horses-cnn-contributor-slams-networks-161600893.html
>>>> <
>>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/horses-cnn-contributor-slams-networks-161600893.html
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> "would you say that when you’re talking about a drug that has been
>>>> >>>> given out to billions and billions of people?” Rogan asked Gupta.
>>>> “A drug
>>>> >>>> that the inventors won a Nobel Prize in 2015, a drug that has been
>>>> shown to
>>>> >>>> stop viral replication in vitro. You know that, right? Why would
>>>> they lie
>>>> >>>> and say that’s horse dewormer? [...] Do you think that that's a
>>>> problem
>>>> >>>> that your news network lies?"
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Ivermectin, the drug at issue, *is* a horse dewormer. The
>>>> terminology
>>>> >>>> was complicated by the fact that it's also prescribed for
>>>> parasitic river
>>>> >>>> blindness in humans. Rogan got a prescription for it (he doesn't
>>>> have river
>>>> >>>> blindness).
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Said in passing by Don Lemon, the characterization "horse dewormer"
>>>> >>>> would more accurately be called a "misnomer" or even a
>>>> "tendentious choice
>>>> >>>> of words."
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> But nowadays it's a "lie."
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> JL
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 3:39 PM Mark Mandel <markamandel at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:markamandel at gmail.com>>
>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> They lie flat, as opposed to flat-out lying
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> MAM. .
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 1:03 PM Jonathan Lighter <
>>>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com%0b>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> > So you can't trust the inconstant moon either.
>>>> >>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> > I trust the flat-earthers. They have no reason to lie.
>>>> >>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> > JL
>>>> >>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> > On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:25 PM Mark Mandel <
>>>> markamandel at gmail.com<mailto:markamandel at gmail.com>>
>>>> >>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> > > Well, the Moon always lies *in the northern hemisphere*. In
>>>> the
>>>> >>>>> Tropics
>>>> >>>>> > her
>>>> >>>>> > > path takes her through or near the zenith on her monthly
>>>> apparent
>>>> >>>>> journey
>>>> >>>>> > > from east to west and the edge of the shadow is roughly
>>>> parallel
>>>> >>>>> to that
>>>> >>>>> > > line, so it depends on which way you're facing. And in the
>>>> southern
>>>> >>>>> > > hemisphere she tells the truth.
>>>> >>>>> > >
>>>> >>>>> > > Mark A. Mandel
>>>> >>>>> > >
>>>> >>>>> > >
>>>> >>>>> > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 4:38 PM Laurence Horn <
>>>> >>>>> laurence.horn at yale.edu<mailto:laurence.horn at yale.edu>>
>>>> >>>>> > > wrote:
>>>> >>>>> > >
>>>> >>>>> > > > > On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:03 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
>>>> >>>>> > wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM<mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>>
>>>> >>>>> > > > wrote:
>>>> >>>>> > > > >
>>>> >>>>> > > > >
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/thought-knew-sun-color-lie-133422094.html<
>>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/thought-knew-sun-color-lie-133422094.html>
>>>> >>>>> > :
>>>> >>>>> > > > >
>>>> >>>>> > > > > What You Thought You Knew About the Sun’s Color Is a Lie
>>>> >>>>> > > > >
>>>> >>>>> > > > > (People say it's yellow, but it's really white. Liars!)
>>>> >>>>> > > > >
>>>> >>>>> > > > > JL
>>>> >>>>> > > >
>>>> >>>>> > > > I don’t know—from the write-up it looks like it’s the sun
>>>> that's
>>>> >>>>> the
>>>> >>>>> > > > liar. I was told the moon always lies (it makes a capital D
>>>> >>>>> when it’s
>>>> >>>>> > > > crescent and a C when it’s decrescent), but apparently you
>>>> can’t
>>>> >>>>> trust
>>>> >>>>> > > any
>>>> >>>>> > > > heavenly bodies. Or even Springsteen:
>>>> >>>>> > > >
>>>> >>>>> > > > The piss-yellow sun
>>>> >>>>> > > > Comes bringing up the day
>>>> >>>>> > > > She said "Ain't nobody can give nobody
>>>> >>>>> > > > What they really need anyway”
>>>> >>>>> > > > (“Dry Lightning”)
>>>> >>>>> > > >
>>>> >>>>> > > > Is nothing sacred?
>>>> >>>>> > > >
>>>> >>>>> > > > LH
>>>> >>>>> > > >
>>>> >>>>> > > >
>>>> >>>>> > > > >
>>>> >>>>> > > > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 10:19 AM Dan Goncharoff <
>>>> >>>>> thegonch at gmail.com<mailto:thegonch at gmail.com>>
>>>> >>>>> > > > wrote:
>>>> >>>>> > > > >
>>>> >>>>> > > > >> Interesting how one deals with opinions expressed as
>>>> facts,
>>>> >>>>> > especially
>>>> >>>>> > > > when
>>>> >>>>> > > > >> they are found to be wrong later. Are they Schrodinger
>>>> >>>>> statements,
>>>> >>>>> > > only
>>>> >>>>> > > > >> found to be true or false once we "open the box"?
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>
>>>> >>>>> > > > >> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 10:05 AM Jonathan Lighter <
>>>> >>>>> > > wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com<mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>> > > > >
>>>> >>>>> > > > >> wrote:
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>> 'any idea or statement that is untrue or that one
>>>> disagrees
>>>> >>>>> with.'
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>> I've been hearing this a lot on cable news, though not
>>>> from
>>>> >>>>> > > > journalists.
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>> Ex.:
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>> Quora.com: "Electrons absolutely positively do not whizz
>>>> >>>>> around
>>>> >>>>> > the
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>> nucleus of an atom. That idea is a lie-to-children, a
>>>> >>>>> > simplification
>>>> >>>>> > > > told
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>> [to] young kids in grade school."
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>> CNN: "Rugged individualism is a lie."
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>> Also v.:
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>> Protest sign seen on FOX News: "FAUCI LIED PEOPLE DIED"
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>> JL
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>> --
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't
>>>> >>>>> handle the
>>>> >>>>> > > > >> truth."
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>>
>>>> >>>>> > > > >>>
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>>>> >>>>> > > > > "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't
>>>> >>>>> handle the
>>>> >>>>> > > > truth."
>>>> >>>>> > > > >
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>>>> >>>>> > "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle
>>>> the
>>>> >>>>> truth."
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>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> --
>>>> >>>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>>>> >>>> truth."
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> --
>>>> >>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>>>> >>> truth."
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>>>> >> truth."
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>>>> truth."
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>>>> truth."
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>>> truth."
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>> truth."
>>
>
>
> --
> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the truth."
>

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