[Ads-l] Inquiry about template in Shakespeare: X me no x's

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Hange me no hanginge, yf ye be so quicke, Roube not to hard, lest hempstringe do kycke.

John Pikering, 1567 _A newe enterlude of vice conteyninge, the historye of Horestes with the cruell reuengment of his fathers death, vpon his one naturill mother_ (from EEBO2)


On Friday, October 16th, 2026 at 7:54 AM, Rich Lowenthal <000018596069864c-dmarc-request at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> wrote:

> Other early citations are in "But Me no Buts" by A.C. Potter,  Modern
> Language Notes (Vol. 30, No. 5, May 1915), and "But Me no Buts" by C.B.
> Cooper, Modern Language Notes (Vol. 31, No. 5, May 1916). The earliest
> citation appears to be from the anonymous play "Common Conditions"
> (1576): "Tinkers? (quod you) tinke me no tinkes."
> 
> Links at
> https://www.jstor.org/stable/2915870
> 
> and
> 
> https://www.jstor.org/stable/2915634
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> From "ADSGarson O'Toole"
> <00001aa1be50b751-dmarc-request at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
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> Date 10/16/2026 12:13:10 AM
> Subject Re: Inquiry about template in Shakespeare: X me no x's
> 
> >Wonderful! Thanks, Jesse. The appendix lists two citations before the
> >Shakespeare citations.
> >
> >[Begin excerpt]
> >APPENDIX: SOME SAMPLES OF X ME NO X'S
> >
> >1590, George Peele, The Old Wives Tale, l. 481.
> >S1: What, would you have us to bury him, and to answer it ourselves to
> >the parish?
> >S2: Parish me no parishes!
> >
> >1591, The Lamentable ... Tragedie of M. Arden of Feversham, l. 767.
> >S1: I will lay the platforme [plan] of his death.
> >S2: Plat me no platformes.
> >
> >1595, William Shakespeare, Richard II, II.iii.87.
> >S1: My gracious uncle—
> >S2: Grace me no grace, nor uncle me no uncle.
> >
> >1595, William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet, III.v.152.
> >S1: Proud can I never be of what I hate, / But thankful even for hate
> >that is meant for love.
> >S2: Thank me no thankings, nor proud me no prouds....
> >
> >...
> >The dates cited here are generally those assigned in Harbage and Schoen-
> >baum (1964), but it should be understood that some of these as well as others
> >are approximations
> >[End excerpt]
> >
> >Garson
> >
> >On Thu, Oct 15, 2026 at 10:06 PM Jesse Sheidlower <jester at panix.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>  See Dale B. J. Randall, "X Me No X's: Some Examples (Mainly from the Renaissance) of the Neologizing Imperative Retort", _American Speech_ Vol. 64, No. 3 (Autumn, 1989), pp. 233-243.
> >>
> >>  https://www.jstor.org/stable/455591
> >>
> >>  Jesse Sheidlower
> >>
> >>  On Thu, Oct 15, 2026 at 09:36:14PM -0400, ADSGarson O'Toole wrote:
> >>  > I received an interesting inquiry about a template employed by William
> >>  > Shakespeare. Is anyone familiar with this template? Are there examples
> >>  > before Shakespeare's works?
> >>  >
> >>  > [Begin request sent to Garson]
> >>  > I am trying to determine the origin of the phrase type "x me no
> >>  > x's"--for example, "riddle me no riddles."
> >>  >
> >>  > I have found two instances in Shakespeare, one in Romeo and Juliet:
> >>  > "Thank me no thanking, nor proud me no proud."--and one in Richard II:
> >>  > "Grace me no grace, nor uncle me no uncle." Interesting, that both are
> >>  > double, and both use singular nouns. So you see, I've done a little of
> >>  > the work myself.
> >>  >
> >>  > But can you think of any earlier versions?
> >>  > [End request sent to Garson]
> >>  >
> >>  > I did not find anything pertinent when I performed a quick search in
> >>  > Early English Books Online, but the search was incomplete.
> >>  >
> >>  > Thanks for any help,
> >>  > Garson O'Toole
> >>  >
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