pointing, not with finger

[Regna Darnell]

Northern Alberta, long ago.... associated for me with lack of aggression, a strategy of indirection, not singling people out. Also a question of animacy, not invading personal space or autonomy. I wasn't ever told directly to point with chin/lips but I was told it was good that I did that like Cree people did. I think I just picked it up as good manners, then began to see consistencies with more general ways of treating people.
Interesting discussion -- thanks all! Regna

On 03/06/13, Richard Preston  <prestonr at MCMASTER.CA> wrote:
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> All these comments are depicting interesting cultural variations on the theme and suggests that pointing (or waving) a finger is assertive or aggressive or a sign of relative power/rank - Aatolloah Khomeni or Osama or just a scolding momma. 
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> But for Crees at Waskaganish it was flagrant lack of social courtesy or reticence, a respect extended to animals (don't point there either, it won't be liked any more than speaking of a bear by his actual name rather than a pseudonym). 
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> I have only heard of it as a (specific case of a known person who then became a case of "flight hysteria") threat of sorcery (and she died of exposure), except for a modest one in 1963 when someone was too aggressive in a card game. He blanched visibly and started losing. But that is 50 years ago, eh?
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> > We say "zhinomaa" (a transitive animate verb with morphological relations to "through") for pointing which I think refers to a range of behavior that spans from a subtle, humble or polite lip point to a more formal, militaristic or angry finger/spear/weapon point of going through someone in a real or ceremonial way. 
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> > > > I'm a discussant at an upcoming conference on gesture, and one thing I thought I would mention to the (extremely diverse) audience is the practice among at least some of the Algonquian peoples of pointing with the lips or with the chin, rather than pointing with the finger.
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> > > > I would like to ask you all how widespread this practice is. And for native speakers (native pointers? :-) ), do you have any intuitions about why pointing with the finger is avoided? Would it seem rude to point with the finger? Or inappropriate in some other way?
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> > > > thanks in advance for any thoughts you can share!
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> > > > P.S. if you hit "reply" remember that you are replying to the whole list! :-)
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