[Algonquiana] Prehistoric Language contact ?

Thu Nov 20 01:44:14 UTC 2014

Michael,

I'm not sure. I know that Projet Balzac at University of Québec in Chicoutimi conducted a genetic survey in the Gaspé Peninsula some years ago to get an idea of aboriginal background in the genetic of the white population. Otherwise, I'm not aware of anything.

Best,
Danielle

Dr. Danielle E. Cyr, Senior Scholar at York University339, boul. Perron ouestNew Richmond, QC, 	G0C 2BOdcyr at yorku.ca - 418.392.7271

>---- Original Message ----
>From: Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>
>To: algonquiana at listserv.linguistlist.org
>Sent: Wed, Nov 19, 2014, 8:34 PM
>Subject: Re: [Algonquiana] Prehistoric Language contact ?
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>Danielle,
>
>Is there any genetic information available on Mi'gmaq speakers?
>
>Michael
>
>Quoting "Danielle E. Cyr" <dcyr at yorku.ca>:
>
>> Thanks to all who have replied so far. I'm totally amazed by the
>> sophistication of your suggestions and explanations. The reason of my
>> question is that I'm presently working on Mi'gmaq place names related to
>> early PEA migrations into the Gaspe Peninsula and Atlantic Canada. The more
>> I read in archaeology, the more I wonder about the cultural contacts that
>> might have taken place when the PEA arrived in these territories.   Except
>> for Peter Denny, no archaeological writings seem to advocate for such
>> contacts. All they say is that the Planos arrived ca 9,000 BP and the PEA
>> ca 3,000-4,000 BP. Nobody (to my candid knowledge) talks about possible
>> encounters between the two groups. And none talks about the disappearance -
>> or not- of the Planos. Once again except Peter Denny. On the other hand, my
>> readings, so far, seem to indicate a complete separation between
>> archaeology and linguistics. Which is corroborated by David W. Anthony.
>> 1990. Migration in Archaeology: The Baby and the Bathwater. American
>> Anthropologist; Dec 1990; 92, 4;
>> From this, a new question arising in my mind: did someone ever tried to
>> compare John Hewson's Dictionary of Proto-Algonquian with a Mi'gmaq
>> dictionary to try and list the Mi'gmaq words that do not belong to PA; and
>> then to analyze these words and try to draw a kind of phonetic/phonological
>> sketch of a possible (dead) loaning language of some kind ?
>> If Peter Denny's hypothesis is correct, and if Fiedel 1987 is correct that
>> Mi'gmaq shares only 50 percent of its lexicon with other Central and even
>> Eastern Algonquian languages, this should be feasible. In comparison, if
>> French had disappeared from the records, one should be able to deduce its
>> phonological patterns by analyzing all the words that English doesn't share
>> with any other European languages, More or less.
>> Am I too far gone ?
>> Danielle
>> Dr. Danielle E. Cyr, Senior Scholar at York University
>> 339, boul. Perron ouest
>> New Richmond, QC,  G0C 2BO
>> dcyr at yorku.ca - 418.392.7271
>> ---- Original Message ----
>> From: David Costa
>> To: "Danielle E. Cyr"
>> Cc: "John Steckley" , "ALGONQUIANA at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG"
>> Sent: Wed, Nov 19, 2014, 5:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Algonquiana] Prehistoric Language contact ?
>>
>> What lexical borrowings are you trying to account for?
>> Dave
>> John and Arok,
>> Thanks for your quick reply. Researching phonetic similarities would be a
>> great start. I was rather thinking of lexical borrowings but your insight
>> widens my interest !
>> Danielle
>>
>> Dr. Danielle E. Cyr, Senior Scholar at York University
>> 339, boul. Perron ouest
>> New Richmond, QC,  G0C 2BO
>> dcyr at yorku.ca (mailto:dcyr at yorku.ca) - 418.392.7271
>> ---- Original Message ----
>> From: John Steckley
>> To: "Wolvengrey, Arok" , "Danielle E. Cyr" ,
>> "ALGONQUIANA at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG
>> (mailto:ALGONQUIANA at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG)"
>> Sent: Wed, Nov 19, 2014, 4:29 PM
>> Subject: RE: [Algonquiana] Prehistoric Language contact ?
>> 	Danielle/Arok:
>> 	Wendat has a well-developed system of dual pronominal prefixes as agents
>> (but not patients).  Presumably St. Lawrence Iroquoian did as well.  It
>> would be interesting to see whether some phonetic similarities appear
>> between Mi'kmaq/Maliseet dual forms and those that Wendat has.
>> 	John
>> 	From: Algonquiana [mailto:algonquiana-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org
>> (mailto:algonquiana-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org)] On Behalf Of
>> Wolvengrey, Arok
>> Sent: November 19, 2014 4:18 PM
>> To: Danielle E. Cyr; ALGONQUIANA at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG
>> (mailto:ALGONQUIANA at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG)
>> Subject: Re: [Algonquiana] Prehistoric Language contact ?
>> 	Hi Danielle,
>> 	I'm not aware of anything actually written with regard to this, but there
>> was some brief discussion at the recent Algonquian conference (or was it
>> online???) about the possible source or model for the introduction of the
>> dual as a category in Micmac (and Maliseet?).  Inuktitut could be one
>> source, but Iroquoian was perhaps (?) favoured suggesting some contact in
>> the (lower? south eastern?) Great Lakes area.  Others far more
>> knowledgeable about the Eastern languages, please feel free to shoot these
>> thoughts down as required.
>> 	??? ????
>>
>> 	Arok Wolvengrey
>>
>> 	Professor, Algonquian Languages and Linguistics and
>>
>> 	Department Head of Indigenous Languages, Arts and Cultures
>>
>> 	First Nations University of Canada
>>
>> 	1 First Nations Way
>>
>> 	Regina, SK   S4S 7K2
>> 	phone:  (306) 790-5950 ext. 3310
>>
>> 	fax:      (306) 790-5995
>>
>> 	e-mail:  awolvengrey at fnuniv.ca (mailto:awolvengrey at fnuniv.ca)
>> ------------------------------------
>> 	From: Algonquiana [algonquiana-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org
>> (mailto:algonquiana-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org)] on behalf of
>> Danielle E. Cyr [dcyr at yorku.ca (mailto:dcyr at yorku.ca)]
>> Sent: November 19, 2014 3:05 PM
>> To: ALGONQUIANA at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG
>> (mailto:ALGONQUIANA at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG)
>> Subject: [Algonquiana] Prehistoric Language contact ?
>> 	Hello All,
>> 	Beside
>>
>> 	 DENNY, Peter J.  2003. Early Signs of Eastern Algonquians. Essays in
>> Algonquian, Catawban and Siouan Linguistics in Memory of Frank T. Siebert
>> Jr. Blair A. Rudes and David J. Costa. Winnipeg: Algonquian and Iroquoian
>> Linguistics, Memoir 16, p. 15-36.
>>
>> 	does anyone know about literature discussing prehistoric language contacts
>> between Proto Eastern Algonquian and other older languages ?
>> 	Thanks in advance,
>> 	Danielle Cyr
>> 	___________________________________________
>> 	Dr. Danielle E. Cyr, Senior Scholar at York University
>> 	339, boul. Perron ouest
>> 	New Richmond, QC,   G0C 2BO
>> 	dcyr at yorku.ca (mailto:dcyr at yorku.ca) - 418.392.7271
>>
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