Arabic-L:GEN:more responses to queries
Dilworth B. Parkinson
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1) Subject: transliteration response
2) Subject: Arabic Language Center/Cairo response
3) Subject: colloquial response
4) Subject: transliteration response/ad
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1)
Date: 30 Jul 2001
From: Taoufiq Monastiri <monastiri at mmsh.univ-aix.fr>
Subject: transliteration response
For transliteration of any language, go to
http://www.freelang.com/freelang/services/polices.html
. Taoufik Monastiri
monastiri at mmsh.univ-aix.fr (prof.)
ou taoufik at aix.pacwan.fr (prive)
"Fonds Monde arabe et musulman"
Mediatheque - MMSH
Bureau 18
5, rue du chateau de l'Horloge
BP 647
13094 Aix en Provence Cedex 2
France
Tel. (33) 4 42 52 41 09
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2)
Date: 30 Jul 2001
From: khalif abdo <abdo11 at lycos.com>
Subject: Arabic Language Center/Cairo response
Dear Jane:
Since I don't have any clue about the Arabic Language
Center you mentioned, I can only answer your first question; i.e. to
do the colloquial Arabic course, or
to do a classical Arabic course first and pick up colloquial usage later.
It is very recommended that you learn colloquial, dialectical Arabic,
specially Egyptian, as it may be hard for the people you are deling
with to understand, or grasp, the meanings of the Classical Arabic
sometimes, mainly if they are the illiterate commons.
Learning the colloquial is very easy and it doesn't take that long in
comparison to Classical Arabic and to be in the safe side and not
waste much time. Please note that the Egyptian has some of the
western, especially British terms, something that would for sure be
useful to you. Learning CA is of course very helpful when it comes to
conferences and the learning circles but I would not suggest that for
you in as far as you are a biginner; that would probably come later...
Good Luck and welcome to the Arab World.
Your friend,
Abdo.
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3)
Date: 30 Jul 2001
From: dwilmsen <dwilmsen at aucegypt.edu>
Subject: colloquial response
I don't agree with the implication that colloquial Arabic is of no interest to
linguists or that it has no dept of its own.
>1) When you don't want to dive into Arabic too deeply and you have no
>linguistic or literary interest, it is certainly useful to concentrate on
>colloquial Arabic.
If one is to be well-rounded in Arabic, even literary Arabic, one certainly
should be conversant with at least one colloquial variety.
This even (or perhaps especially) applies to interpreters, who generally must
be highly proficient in "standard" Arabic. I have an article about this to
appear in the proceedings of he 1 Congreso Internacional Sobre Evaluaci?n de
la
Calidad en Interpretaci?n de Conferencias, in which I describe a conference
conducted by the ILO attended mostly by native speakers of Arabic educated to
the PhD level. Almost all of them used colloquial Arabic most of the time,
even
in the formal opening ceremony. The interpreters at that conference would
have
been hard put if they were unfamiliar with that variety.
If one is living or working in the Arab world (or plans to soon as our
inquirer
does), it makes better sense to begin with acquiring a colloquial. Indeed,
then
the learner is duplicating the native-speaker experience. This in and of
itself is a good argument for all students of Arabic to begin with a
colloquial
variety.
What is more, the colloquials preserve some features of ancient Arabic that
were lost to writing even by classical times. This is just one reason among
many that colloquial varieties of Arabic are of linguistic interest.
David Wilmsen
Arabic and Translation Studies
The American University in Cairo
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3)
Date: 30 Jul 2001
From: GnhBos at aol.com
Subject: transliteration response/ad
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