Arabic-L:LING:Borrowing Verbs in Arabic Responses

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Date: 26 Mar  2004
From:Michael.Schub at trincoll.edu
Subject:Borrowing Verbs in Arabic Response

ta'Amrak  taslim, yaa  maHboob!!                                   --ms

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Date: 26 Mar  2004
From:Michael Fishbein <fishbein at humnet.ucla.edu>
Subject:Borrowing Verbs in Arabic Response


I know of at least one foreign verb that has made it directly into a  
spoken Arabic dialect, not through a borrowed noun that subsequently  
generates an Arabic verb by the same processes of derivation that could  
be used to turn any Arabic noun into a denominative verb.

English "shoot, shot" (a ball toward a goal) has become thoroughly  
naturalized in Egyptian Arabic as shaaT, yishuuT. It even forms a noun  
of single instance shooTa (a shot) and a Form II shawwiT, yishawwiT  
meaning "to shoot repeatedly." See the Hinds-Badawi dictionary for a  
full listing. An Iraqi friend says that the same verb is used in Iraqi  
dialect also. I imagine that the verb was borrowed first (on the  
playing field) as an imperative, shuuT! Since this sounds like the  
imperative of a typical hollow verb, yishuuT and then shaaT could be  
formed by analogy. Wa-Allahu a`lam!

I wonder whether readers of Arabic-L can think of other Arabic verbs  
that were borrowed from other languages and entered Arabic as Form I  
verbs, rather than Form II (or any of the other derived forms that  
commonly form verbs from nouns within Arabic).

Maltese is very good at swallowing Italian and English verbs whole. A  
Maltese web site gives (in the 2nd person singular): tista tirrepeti  
(can you repeat?), tispelli (spell), tittraducili (translate for me),  
and tirriservali (reserve for me, 1st person nirriserva, with the n-  
prefix of North African dialects), tirrikmanda (recommend); then there  
is jiddispjacini (I'm sorry, it displeases me, read the j as y), and to  
top it off, nista nintroducilek (may I introduce to you).

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Date: 26 Mar  2004
From:zmaalej at gnet.tn
Subject:Borrowing Verbs in Arabic Response

In reply to whether Arabic borrows verbs in the Standard or the  
dialects, I
think that for practical matters that have to do with every day life
borrowings are more likely to go into the dialect first. For instance,  
what
comes to mind here in Tunisian Arabic that does not exist in the MSA  
used in
Tunisia is verbs like ytalfin (to phone), yfaxi (to fax), ydallit (to
delete) ynavigi (to navigate the Internet), yshati (to chat), etc.  
though
the last three verbs are more restricted to computer science jargon and  
the
Internet. Now if there is a standard verb for these forms, I don't think
they would be borrowed into the satandard. However, if need be, they  
would
be used by the media and may eventually be standardized.
Best
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Dr Zouhair Maalej

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4)
Date: 26 Mar  2004
From:jmurg at ttlc.net
Subject:Borrowing Verbs in Arabic Response

Sattar,
I've heard/seen barrak sayyarah [park a car]; chayyak/shayyak [check on
somthing].

> From a noun, but I heard this [from a Sudanese speaker]:  garrazh  
> sayyarah
[put a car in the garage/park a car].
Jackie

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Date: 26 Mar  2004
From:"H. T. Davies" <hdavies at aucegypt.edu>
Subject:Borrowing Verbs in Arabic Response

Egyptian Arabic (at least) borrows foreign nouns and forms verbs from  
them: ittanshin "to feel tense, feel on edge,"  maghnat "to magnetize"  
and so on (there are hundreds).  It also borrows verbs directly:  
yihannig "to hang (of a computer), yisayyif/yisayyiv "to save (a file  
on a computer)" etc.
Humphrey Davies

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Date: 26 Mar  2004
From:steve.hewitt at noos.fr
Subject:Borrowing Verbs in Arabic Response

Spoken Arabic borrows verbs quite freely:

Iraqi/Gulf Arabic: cheyyekteh "I checked it", which even has a maSdar:
tachyiik

The following Algerian example is probably apocryphal, but nevertheless
illustrates what is possible:

kraazatuh Tumubiil; ramasuuh morsowaat morsowaat
une automobile l'a écrasé; ils l'ont ramassé morceau par morcau
he was run over [crushed] by a car; they picked him up piece by piece.

Cheers,

Steve Hewitt

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Date: 26 Mar  2004
From:sattar izwaini <sattarumist at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject:Borrowing Verbs in Arabic Response

[moderator's note: Sattar, of course, is the person who asked the  
question originally.  It is not clear which of the above messages she  
got before posting the following, but here it is anyway.  dil]

Thanks for those who replied to my query. I recieved two replies with  
words that are derived from the correspnding noun or adjective, while  
I am looking for a direct borrowing of a verb in standard Arabic. In  
spoken Arabic of Egypt, for example, 'to save a file' is borrowed as  
yisayif.
 
Regards
Sattar

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