Arabic-L:GEN:Getting Arabic in the messages
Dilworth Parkinson
dilworth_parkinson at BYU.EDU
Fri Jun 1 19:15:10 UTC 2007
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1) Subject:Getting Arabic in the messages
2) Subject:Suggestions for Getting Arabic in the messages
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1)
Date: 01 Jun 2007
From:moderator
Subject:Getting Arabic in the messages
I will summarize the responses I got about which messages were
readable (so you can see the problem), and then I will post below the
messages that contain suggestions. Below that I will post my own
suggestion for how you can read the Arabic if it is just not coming
through for you.
Got Arabic:
1 person: ONLY in text message #1
1 person: ONLY in text message #5
3 people: ALL but text message #5
1 person: NONE had good Arabic
2 people: #1, #3, #4 OK, #2, #5 Bad
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2)
Date: 01 Jun 2007
From:hopie11 at yahoo.com
Subject:Suggestions for Getting Arabic in the messages
Hello!
FYI on the test messages:
When they first arrived, I couldn't read the Arabic in the original
message or in any of the test messages, but when I changed the
encoding on my own machine (to Unicode), I had no trouble with them.
ah, technology.
Hope Fitzgerald
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3)
Date: 01 Jun 2007
From:"Allon Uhlmann" <uhlmanna at umsl.edu>
Subject:Suggestions for Getting Arabic in the messages
I don't know if it helps, but when I read my email through Outlook
exchange,
I also get ????????????? When I use my actual outlook program, I get
the
original text. With Eudora I can get the actual text in the preview
window,
but gibberish when I open the message, however, usually when I send
it to
the browser I can then get the original (by selecting View ->
Encoding ->
Arabic for windows).
I hope this helps.
A.
Allon J. Uhlmann
Assistant Professor of Anthropology
University of Missouri - St. Louis
http://www.umsl.edu/~uhlmanna/
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4)
Date: 01 Jun 2007
From:a elsherif <alarish5 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject:Suggestions for Getting Arabic in the messages
Hi,
TO READ ARABIC TEXT YOU NEED TO DO " INCODING "
WHILE YOU ARE ON THE TEXT..CLICK ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE MOUSE ,
THEN CLICK ON "ENCODING".. CLICK ON ON ARABIC .. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE
TO READ ARABIC .
PLEASE SEE THIS INFORMATION FROM http://languages.londonmet.ac.uk/
community/wordprocessing/arabic/index.htm
I HOPE THIS HELP
ELSHAREIF
Enabling Arabic Support in Windows XP
You will need Administrative privileges to enable the use of Arabic
on your computer. This will not be a problem for your home computer,
but will require the intervention of your network manager in an
educational institution.
Go to Start then Settings then Control Panel and double-click on
Regional and Language Options.
When the "Regional and Language Options" dialogue box appears, select
the "Languages" tab at the top of the box and then select "Install
files for complex script and right-to-left languages". If the files
necessary for Arabic are not already installed, you will be asked to
insert the "Windows XP" CD. which will allow you to install the
missing files – simply follow the instructions which will come up
automatically. When the necessary changes have been made and you have
finished with the CD, press the "Details ..." button. A new dialogue
box will appear entitled "Text Services and Input Languages".
Now you need to add Arabic as an input language before your computer
will accept typing in Arabic.
In the "Text Services and Input Languages" box, press the "Add"
button. A box appears entitled "Add Input Language". Choose "Arabic"
for "Input Language", it does not greatly matter which country you
choose, the most common choice is "Saudi Arabia". Choose "Arabic
(101) for "Keyboard Layout / IME" and press OK.
Back in the "Text Services and Input Languages" box, you need to
specify where you want your Language Bar to be, which will allow you
to switch between typing in English and Arabic. Click on Language
Bar ... and a dialogue box will appear entitled "Language Bar Settings".
Select "Show the Language bar on the desktop" and click OK. Click OK
to exit all the dialogue boxes you have opened.
The "Language Bar" will appear somewhere on your desktop and y ou can
move it to where you find it most convenient (probably the System
Tray located in the bottom right hand corner of your screen.) When
you want to input Arabic in a document, you simply need to click on
EN (for English) to bring up the option AR (for Arabic.)
Whichever you select, the keyboard will insert the characters of that
language.
If the Language Bar option in the Text Services and Input Languages
dialogue box, referred to above, is not available, click the Advanced
tab at the top and ensure that the option marked Turn off advanced
text services is not checked.
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5)
Date: 01 Jun 2007
From:"George N. Hallak, Boston" <GnhBos at aol.com>
Subject:Suggestions for Getting Arabic in the messages
Hi Samar,
The symbols may mean that you do not have the Arabic font on your PC.
Try this trick, hit "Reply", if you still do not see the Arabic text,
highlight
the symbols and select a font from your font list on your PC.
Let me know if it works. Shukran!
Best Regards,
George N. Hallak
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6)
Date: 01 Jun 2007
From:"Mahmoud Elsayess" <melsayess at socal.rr.com>
Subject:Suggestions for Getting Arabic in the messages
A major causal factor in the receipt of illegible messages over the
Internet is the adoption of incompatible standards by a multitude of
system developers and manufacturers. Depending on their respective
locations, these system vendors adhere to standards set by either ISO
(International Organization for Standardization) or ANSI (American
National Standards Institute). While the latter focuses on the U.S.,
the former is adhered to in other countries. Both organizations
oversee the creation, promulgation and use of norms and guidelines
that directly impact businesses in nearly every sector.
Both organizations are dedicated to enhancing competitiveness by
promoting and facilitating voluntary consensus standards and
conformity assessment systems, and safeguarding their integrity.
Unfortunately, however, certain standards set by each respective
organization may not be compatible. This issue has occurred in
software and systems used in negotiating the Internet. The problem
that has resulted is that in the sending of foreign languages on the
Internet over all types of systems and disciplines the chances of
incompatibility are significant, and will often result in the
receiving of useless, illegible messages or data.
Additionally, for similar reasons spam filter rules may alter and
make messages unreadable.
Thank you
Mahmoud Elsayess
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7)
Date: 01 Jun 2007
From:"Dilworth Parkinson" <dil at byu.edu>
Subject:Suggestions for Getting Arabic in the messages
OK, here is my suggestion. It is a lot of work, but if you just
aren't getting Arabic, and there is an occasional message that you
would really like to see, this should work for everybody.
1) open a browser (I suggest firefox) and go to any Arabic language
site (like Aljazeera) and make sure that you can get Arabic in
general. If you can't, stop now, because I can't help you. If you
can, go on.
2) using that browser, log on to listserv.byu.edu. If you have done
this before, it will probably remember you. If you have set your
password and it doesn't remember you, you will have to log in with
your password. If you have never logged in or set your password
before, then you will need to follow the instructions I sent before
for doing so. For your convenience, I have copied them below.
3) Click on Subscribers Corner
4) Click on Arabic-L. This will take you to a page where you can
change your subscription details. You don't want to do that right
now, but you have to come here to get to the next page.
5) Click on Back To Arabic-L Page. This will take you to a list of
months where the messages are archived.
6) Click, for example, on May 2007. This gives you a list of the
messages that were posted in May, but unordered.
7) To get the messages to show up in date order, click on the second
button from the left on the button menu at the top; it is the one
with the numbers 1 and 2 on little 'piece of paper/calendar icons'.
8) Once the messages are in date order, scroll down to the bottom of
the list to see the Messages that were posted on May 30th. Click on
Test Message #1. This shows the message in a text format, but the
Arabic should be readable. If it is too small to read, you can make
the font bigger (on the mac it is command-+ but it might be some
other command on a PC or a different browser.
9) There are two buttons in the menu bar now with jkl on them. If
you click on the left one of those, the text will change to a nicer
and more readable font (although this varies from browser to
browser). However, it can often also destroy some of the formatting
(like getting rid of returns, etc.)
10) If, as is the case with this message, the original was posted in
an html format, there will be a little thing to click on at the
bottom of the message that says [text/html] but underlined or blue or
whatever to draw your attention. If you click on that, a new window
will open and that will allow you to see the message more or less as
originally formatted.
11) The arrows on the left two buttons will take you forward and back
through the messages from this page if you like.
12) You can try the other buttons, but the one on the very right gets
rid of your cookie, which means that you will HAve to log in again
the next time you come to this site.
This would probably not be something you would want to do every day,
but if you are desperate to see a message in Arabic, this method
should work for you.
HERE ARE THE PROMISED INSTRUCTIONS THAT WERE POSTED EARLIER FOR
GETTING SET UP ON THE LISTSERV.BYU.EDU WEBSITE:
As I mentioned in an earlier message, Arabic-L has been migrated to
updated listserv software. This adds an archive at Arabic-L itself
(besides the archive maintained by Linguist), and it also allows you
more control over your own subscription. Here is how it works.
1. Determine what e-mail address you are signed up to Arabic-L
under. (This is important, because the other steps won't work unless
you have the right version of your address.) If you can't figure it
out, e-mail me directly at dil at byu.edu.
2. Using a browser, log on to listserv.byu.edu.
3. Click on Get a LISTESERV password for this server. This will
bring you to a page where you will type in the e-mail address
mentioned in #1 above, and then set a password, which you need to
remember.
4. Go back to the listserv.byu.edu page and log on with your e-mail
address and password.
5. Click on Subscriber's Corner.
6. A list of the things you are subscribed to will appear (probably
just Arabic-L).
7. Click on Arabic-L to view and change your subscriber options.
8. On this page you can
a. change the e-mail address you want to be subscribed from, by
typing in the new address in the box (over the old one)
b. change your subscription type: regular just posts the messages as
I send them out, digest combines them into one long message and sends
them out once a day, and index (I think) sends you the headers only.
c. change the mail header style
d. change the acknowledgements: noack means you won't receive
confirmation that your message has been sent, and ack means the
opposite. If you leave Receive copy of own postings checked or
unchecked, probably nothing will change.
e. Miscellaneous: nomail temporarily stops sending you arabic-l
messages (while you are on vacation, for example). When you set your
own local server to send out a message stating that you are away on
vacation, I get that message for every message I send out. When you
multiply that by the number of subscribers on vacation at any one
time, you might realize why I get hundreds of unwanted messages
daily. So, before you go on vacation, if you are going to set your
own server to send out that message, it would also be nice if you set
your Arabic-L subscription to nomail. If I get annoyed enough I will
do it for you.
f. if you click Address concealed from REVIEW listing, then
subscribers who request to see the list of subscribers to Arabic-L
will not be given access to your address. If you leave it unchecked,
subscribers who want to see a list of other subscribers to Arabic-L
will get a list that will include your address. Non-subscribers will
not have access to this list in any case. If you send a message to
Arabic-L, however, that in effect gives me permission to put your
address on the message, so clicking this option doesn't conceal your
address in all circumstances, only in the case of a subscriber
sending a REVIEW command to the listserv and receiving back a list of
subscribers.
9. Before you leave this window, you must click Update Options for
the new selections to go into effect.
10. If you want to unsubscribe to Arabic-L, simply click on the
button Leave Arabic-L
Most of the options on the subscriber options page have an underline,
and if you click on that word you will be given more information
about that option, although not always all the information you might
want.
In some lists like Arabic-L the moderator simply sends the message on
to subscribers without altering it. However, in Arabic-L, the message
is copied into a template that includes the date, the topic, and
which groups messages on the same subject together. To accomplish
this, I have to 'reject' the original message so it doesn't get
passed on, and then send the revised format to the list. If you get
a rejection notice and then the message comes through anyway, that is
probably the reason.
Remember, however, that the list is now set to automatically reject
anything with attachments, so those won't get through to me at all.
If you must send an attachment, send it directly to me, but it would
be better to copy the contents of the attachment into the message
itself, which is what I have to do before I post it.
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