CLAN and Excel

Mon Mar 2 22:31:43 UTC 2009

Dear Leonid,

Thank you. Interlinear answers below.

On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:58:08 -0500, Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>
wrote:
> Susanna,
> 
>     The search patterns that you use to find codes in your data are
> overlapping. For example, pattern "%|S-%" will match all codes that
> pattern
> "%|S-PRO:PP-%" will match, plus more. The pattern "%|%-PRO:PP-%" will
> match
> all codes that both patterns "%|S-PRO:PP-%" and "%|O-PRO:PP-%" will
match,
> plus some more. This means that you have some very general patterns that
> will override the more specific patterns. To deal with this you need to
> priorities the search patterns order. The more general patterns, such as
> "%|S-%" and "%|O-%", need to be listed last and the more specific
> patterns,
> such as "%|S-PRO:PP-%" and "%|O-PRO:PP-%", need to be listed first. This
> is
> a basic rule in CLAN, all the processing is done from left to right and
> from
> top to bottom. The new sequence of search patterns is:
> 
> %|S-DA:T-%
> %|O-DA:T-%
> %|S-PRO:PP-%
> %|O-PRO:PP-%
> %|%-DA:T-%
> %|%-PRO:PP-%
> %|S-%
> %|O-%
> 
> I have changed the code.cut file to reflect this and I am attaching it to
> this message.

I tried with the long command, as well as with the code.cut file - in both
cases, CLAN freezes. I tried it several times, I restarted the computer and
tried again and again - without success.

> 
> The last this to remember is that CLAN will only list patterns that it
> actually can match to something is the data, so if some pattern doesn't
> match anything in the data set, then there isn't going to be a column
> created for it in the output.

I see. In the case of coding I think it wouldn't be bad to get a column
also for such pattern-data non-matching cases, though. 
But more important for the moment: As you can see from the Excel file I
sent you, in one of the missing columns (|-PRO:PP-) one child did have 2
tokens for the searched coding string (combo found them, and they are also
in the transcript). However, the column was not generated... What might
have happened?

Kind regards,
Susanna

> On 02-03-09 08:06, "bartsch" <bartsch at zas.gwz-berlin.de> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Dear Leonid,
>> 
>> thank you again for your hints. Some interlinear answers below.
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Susanna,
>>> 
>>>     Try this command:
>>> 
>>> freq +d2 +t at ID="*target_child*" -t* +t%cod +s"%|S-%" +s"%|O-%"
>>> +s"%|%-DA:T-%" +s"%|%-PRO:PP-%" +s"%|S-DA:T-%" +s"%|O-DA:T-%"
>>> +s"%|S-PRO:PP-%" +s"%|O-PRO:PP-%"
>>> 
>>> Notice I have replaced all the '*' characters with '%' character. The
>> above
>>> example should be on one command line. If this is too much, then you
> can
>> use
>>> the file "codes.cut" that I am attaching to this email with this
> command:
>>> 
>>> freq +d2 +t at ID="*target_child*" -t* +t%cod +s at codes.cut
>>> 
>>> If this doesn't help you, then please send me a sample of your data
> file
>> and
>>> further description of what exactly didn't work for you.
>> 
>> Well, some things worked, others didn't. Regardless of using either the
>> full long command or the codes.cut file, the output were the same with
>> following 2 problems:
>> 
>> 1. There were no columns for two searched coding strings: "%|%-PRO:PP-%"
>> and "%|O-PRO:PP-%"
>> 
>> 2. Frequencies in half the columns were different when checking them
> using
>> a combo command.
>> 
>> I'll send you a sample of my data directly to you, and a message with
> more
>> details.
>> 
>> 
>>>     In my tests I did not see an extra column between Œsituation¹ and
>> the
>>> first word of the concordance. Perhaps the @ID header tiers in your
> data
>>> files have an extra element at the end. You can see the correct output
> by
>>> looking at "sample.cha" and running commands:
>>> 
>>> freq +d2 +s"pro:%|%" +s"pro|%" sample.cha +t at ID="*mother*" -t* +t%mor
>>> statfreq stat.out.cex +f +d
>>> 
>>> on it. The "sample.cha" file located in clan/lib/sample/ folder.
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, curious, I hadn't this extra column anymore, although I didn't make
>> any changes in the @ID header tiers...
>> 
>> Thank you in advance for further help.
>> 
>> Kindest regards,
>> Susanna

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Susanna Bartsch
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http://www.zas.gwz-berlin.de/mitarb/homepage/bartsch
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