quotations

[Mark Brenchley]

that has, indeed, done the trick!

Many thanks.

On 18 July 2012 19:19, Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> It is not enough to download the latest CLAN, but you also need to
> download the latest MOR grammar for new quotation marks to be recognized
> correctly.
>
> Leonid.
>
>
>
> On Jul 18, 2012, at 13:46 , Mark Brenchley wrote:
>
>
> Hi Professor MacWhinney,
>
> OK, so I have downloaded the new CLAN, and tried out the quotation marks.
> Unfortunately, when I then run *mor +xl*, I get the following output:
>
> “ {[scat ?]}
>         “much”
> ” {[scat ?]}
>
> I suspect I have not done it quite right!
>
> On 18 July 2012 17:22, Brian MacWhinney <macw at cmu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>>      These are not the curly quotes used by MS-Word.  Those quotes are
>> not Unicode symbols.  These are Unicode characters that look a lot like the
>> MS-Word characters, but are parts of Unicode.  For both Mac and PC, they
>> require the F2 before the quote key, as stated.  Please get a new copy of
>> CLAN and give it a try.  If there is some reason not to update to a new
>> CLAN, then you can enter them using other methods if you know that they are
>> Unicode 201C and 201D.  But getting a new version of CLAN is definitely the
>> easier way to go.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> -- Brian MacWhinney
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2012, at 8:53 AM, Mark Brenchley wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Professor MacWhinney,
>>
>> Looks like the quote instructions are for PCs. For Macs, should it just
>> be *shift+*" for both quotes?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mark
>>
>> On 17 July 2012 21:56, Brian MacWhinney <macw at cmu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear ChiBolts and Info-CHILDES,
>>>
>>>     We have recently changed the way that CHAT defines quotations.  The
>>> earlier system used two methods.  One method placed the mark +" at the
>>> beginning of the line to show that the following material was a quote, as in
>>>
>>> *MOT:   +" and the caterpillar ate four whole tomatoes.
>>>
>>> This part of the system is not changing.  The quotation mark used in
>>> this form is the standard straight double quote.
>>>
>>> The second method used scoping to mark shorter quotations within an
>>> utterance.  It had this form:
>>>
>>> "MOT:   you should say <please pass the salt> ["], when you want to have
>>> some.
>>>
>>> We have now changed this second form to look like normal written text
>>> with curly begin and end quotes, as in this example:
>>>
>>> *MOT:   you should say “please pass the salt", when you want to have
>>> some.
>>>
>>> The beginning curly double quote is entered using F2+"  and the closing
>>> curly is entered using F2+shift+".
>>>
>>> We have changed all of the corpora in CHILDES to this new format, and
>>> CHECK and Chatter also expect this new format.  The CHAT manual has been
>>> revised in accord with the new system.
>>>
>>> The reasons for this change are:
>>>
>>> 1.  This form matches what people are used to reading.
>>> 2.  The MOR program can treat the beginning and end quotes as special
>>> "words" that are then written to the %mor line, thereby helping in
>>> grammatical tagging and parsing.  This is part of a system that has also
>>> introduced special characters to mark preposed and postposed phrases.  All
>>> of this is discussed in the CHAT manual in sections 7.4 and 7.9.
>>> 3.  The earlier system led to complex overlapping angle bracket markings.
>>> 4.  The new system matches up better with other current text-processing
>>> systems.
>>>
>>> In reality, we would have gone for a system like this 28 years ago when
>>> creating CHAT, if we had not been confined to the use of the 128 characters
>>> of ASCII.  Once we shifted to Unicode, it became possible to implement this
>>> new system using special Unicode characters.
>>>
>>> If you have data that are not yet in this format, we have a PERL script
>>> that can do an automatic conversion.  If your data are already passing
>>> CHECK and Chatter, then we just run the converter in a few seconds.
>>>  Alternatively, we can run the conversion when you contributed your data to
>>> CHILDES.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> -- Brian MacWhinney
>>>
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