Question about converting SALT files to CHAT format

[Ying Lu]

Dear Leonid,

Please see the attached. I renamed the file earlier. Thank you so much for
working on that!

Ying


On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>wrote:

> Ying Lu,
>
> If the latest version of SALT does output some special characters, then it
> would be best for us to change SALTIN to recognize them. For that I need a
> copy of your "Tran1.slt" file. Please email it to me if you can.
>
> Leonid.
>
>
>
>  On Nov 5, 2012, at 09:48, Ying Lu wrote:
>
>  Dear Leonid,
>
> Thank you very much for your reply!
>
> For problem (a), I understand the errors are due to the unrecognized
> initial characters of the tiers (e.g., $, C). But I don't know why that
> happened. I suspect there is a compatibility issue here, i.e., SALTIN can't
> recognize some symbols generated by the SALT 2012 student version. I will
> try other SALT versions later and see if that works.
>
> As for problem (b), I got a reply from Dr. MacWhinney last night and was
> able to get the comparable MLU. Thanks a lot again for directing me to use
> POST!!!
>
> Sincerely,
> Ying Lu
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>wrote:
>
>> Ying Lu,
>>
>> (a)
>> The first error "** ERROR: unknown symbol <> found on 1 line." is
>> probably because the first character on the line 1 is not '$' character. It
>> might be some special control character that SALT or your text editor has
>> inserted and CLAN doesn't recognize. The rest of the errors are due to
>> first line not being recognized by SALTIN and as a result SALTIN can't
>> identify speaker name code.
>>
>> I have created a test file from your example below and here is the result
>> from SALTIN that I get:
>>
>> @Begin
>> @Languages: eng
>> @Participants: CHI Target_Child, INV Investigator
>> @ID: eng|change_me_later|CHI|||||Target_Child|||
>> @ID: eng|change_me_later|INV|||||Investigator|||
>> @Time Start: 00:00
>> @Comment: Language: English
>> *CHI: there is a boy whose name is tom .
>> *CHI: he likes swimming .
>> %tim: 00:05
>> @End
>>
>> It would be very helpful if you would send to me directly the "Tran1.slt"
>> file that you used.
>>
>>
>> (b)
>> The difference in MLU results is due to %mor tier not being disambiguated
>> by POST command. If you run POST command, then you will get this CHAT file:
>>
>> *CHI:    the dog was [% ip] looking [% mv] in the beehive and 0at [% po]
>> the mole [% u] .
>> %mor: det|the n|dog aux|be&PAST&13S part|look-PROG prep|in det|the
>> n|beehive coord|and 0prep|at det|the n|mole .
>>
>> and this MLU result:
>>
>> MLU for Speaker: *CHI:
>>   MLU (xxx, yyy and www are EXCLUDED from the utterance and morpheme
>> counts):
>> Number of: utterances = 1, morphemes = 11
>> Ratio of morphemes over utterances = 11.000
>> Standard deviation = 0.000
>>
>>
>> Leonid.
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Nov 4, 2012, at 20:33 , Ying Lu wrote:
>>
>> *Dear Chibolts group,
>>
>> I am trying to convert some SALT files and compare the MLU calculated by
>> SALT with that by CLAN. I encounter some problems:
>>
>> (a) I am using SALT 2012 Student Version. *
>>
>> *The original SALT file is (I am using a short version sample here):*
>>
>> $ Child, Examiner
>> + Language: English
>> - 0:00
>>
>> C There is a boy whose name is Tom.
>> C He likes swimming.
>>
>> - 0:05
>>
>> *But I got the following message when converting a SALT file into CHAT
>> format using the command line "SALTIN Tran1.slt": *
>> > SALTIN Tran1.slt
>> saltin Tran1.slt
>> Sun Nov 04 18:39:34 2012
>> saltin (07-Sep-2012)
>> ****************************************
>> From file <Tran1.slt>
>> ** ERROR: unknown symbol <> found on 1 line.
>> ** ERROR: unknown symbol <c> found on 5 line.
>> ** ERROR: unknown symbol <c> found on 7 line.
>> Output file <Tran1.sltin.cha>
>>
>> *The output file looks like this:*
>>
>> @Begin
>> @Languages:    eng
>> @Time Start:    00:00
>> @Time Start:    there is a boy whose name is tom .he likes swimming .00:05
>> @End
>>
>> *I don't understand why the errors would occur.*
>>
>> *(b) Also, the MLU calculated by SALT is often different from that
>> calculated by CLAN. For example,*
>> C The dog was look/ing in the beehive and *at the mole. *(in SALT)*
>>
>> *When I convert this to CHAT format, and use the MOR and MLU commands,
>> it showed: *
>> *CHI:    The dog was [% ip] looking [% mv]
>>     in the beehive and 0at [% po] the mole [% u] .
>> %mor:    det|the v|dog^n|dog v:cop|be&PAST&13S^aux|be&PAST&13S
>>     adj:part|look-PROG^n:gerund|look-PROG^part|look-PROG
>>     prep|in^adv:loc|in^pfx|in det|the n|beehive coord|and 0prep|at
>>     det|the n|mole .
>>
>> *The MLU by SALT is 11, but the Ratio of morphemes over utterances = 13
>> (Number of: utterances = 1, morphemes = 13) by CLAN.*
>>
>> Apparently, the MLU result by SALT is what I want. But how could I get
>> the same result in CLAN?
>>
>> Thank you very much for your attention! Look forward to your help!
>> Sincerely,
>> Ying Lu
>>
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