Timedur, %tim, and getting elapsed time output

Fri Feb 5 15:57:45 UTC 2016

Thanks.  I've never messed with ELAN but I'll give it a try when I get a 
chance.

Best,
Brian

On Friday, February 5, 2016 at 12:00:14 AM UTC-5, Nicole Tracy-Ventura 
wrote:
>
> Brian, I think you might be able to do what you want if you convert your 
> files to ELAN. The chat2elan command will do this for you (I did yours - 
> see attached). When you open your file in ELAN it will ask to locate the 
> media file. You can click cancel. Then when your file opens, look under the 
> Grid tab, select tim at PAR and see if what is gives you is what you're 
> after.  If so, you can export that to Excel and work from there.  I mostly 
> work with CHAT files but do this occasionally for certain analyses. 
>
> Good luck,
> Nicole
>
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> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Brian Verdine <brian.... at gmail.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Brian!  This is not that different from the reply I thought I 
>> might be in for...
>>
>> I am sure I can get some output from something like KWAL that can make 
>> the calculation easier than having to open each and hand calculate, but at 
>> least now I know there is nothing built-in that I am missing or that I'm 
>> not doing something wrong with headers or tiers.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 3:24:10 PM UTC-5, Brian MacWhinney 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Brian,
>>>     Unfortunately, none of the CLAN programs use the information in the 
>>> %tim tier to computer anything.  Instead, as the manual notes, the TIMEDUR 
>>> program specifically relies on information in the time bullets for each 
>>> utterance.  I am afraid I can’t think of any work around to help you out on 
>>> this.  The closest I could imagine is to use KWAL to output all of the %tim 
>>> lines from each file separately to a single data file that then goes into a 
>>> sheet in EXCEL or something like that.  However, I can’t think of any way 
>>> of doing this inside CLAN, because our programs are dependent on using 
>>> information in the time bullets.
>>>
>>> —Brian MacWhinney
>>>
>>> From: ChiBolts <chib... at googlegroups.com> on behalf of Brian Verdine <
>>> brian.... at gmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: ChiBolts <chib... at googlegroups.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 12:35 PM
>>> To: ChiBolts <chib... at googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Timedur, %tim, and getting elapsed time output
>>>
>>> Hi everyone, 
>>>
>>> I'm a new user and I have been doing some work to convert a homegrown 
>>> transcription system to CHAT files.  The transcriptions I converted all had 
>>> a start time that was the timestamp from the videos and every X utterances, 
>>> transcribers were asked to write another timestamp, including specifically 
>>> stamping the last utterance.  I did not want to lose this information, so 
>>> when I created the CHAT files I used a VB script to put the start time in 
>>> with an "@Time Start:  mm:ss" header and then placed all of the following 
>>> timestamps into the transcriptions with %tim tiers, resulting in a file 
>>> that looks like the attached.  Because these transcriptions are converted 
>>> from another format, they are not linked in any way to the video using 
>>> bullets.
>>>
>>> I'm having a hard time finding a lot of information about getting 
>>> commands to read time information written into the transcriptions or if 
>>> there is a simple way to just output the total elapsed time for a 
>>> transcription from the start time and  %tim tiers.  From what I gather 
>>> timedur does not look at %tim tiers and I can verify that when I run it on 
>>> these files it outputs a blank excel sheet with timedur column headers.  
>>>
>>> I am not necessarily looking to do anything fancy. I want to be able to 
>>> auto-calculate the total time for identifying possible reliability 
>>> concerns, report average transcribed times in a methods section, and 
>>> *maybe* be able to do some basic rate calculations in CLAN based on 
>>> total time.  
>>>
>>> Is there a command I'm missing?  Is there a different format, headers, 
>>> or tiers I would need to use?  Or is there a way I can simply get the 
>>> program to output the start time and the last %tim tier for a group of 
>>> files to an excel sheet so that I can calculate the elapsed times quickly 
>>> as a batch?  I *could* have people go through them individually and 
>>> make changes or just calculate the times, but it is about 120 
>>> transcriptions.  I figured some time investigating ways to automate this 
>>> might be worth it.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help!
>>> Brian
>>>
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