CHAT/CLAN help: add to %mor, missing items, %err line, post codes

Wed Jun 8 15:43:49 UTC 2016

Oops, yes. Thank you.
I will consult the manual regarding the postcode commands; thank you for
the reference! However, if I use the post code *PAR:     words words words.
[+gram] it gives me an error saying, "Symbol is not declared in the
depfile.(11)" for every main tier with a post code, and [+gram] is
highlighted in red. This is why I was wondering which tier they are meant
to be on, because I am getting this error.
So sorry for all of the questions, and thank you so much for your help! I
really appreciate it!
Katie

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Brian MacWhinney <macw at cmu.edu> wrote:

> Dear Katerina,
>
> Yes typos can cause problems.  If you have a small corpus, hand entry of
> these codes will be much easier.  At some point, we intend to enter in the
> v.cut lexicon the various codes derived from VerbNet.
>
>   Regarding your problem with error codes on the main line, I would again
> suspect a typo.  For example, the line you sent me was
>
> PAR*:     The fish [* s:r] caught the man [* s:r].
>
> But this has to be
>
> *PAR:     The fish [* s:r] caught the man [* s:r].
>
>
>
> In regards to searching for postcodes, there is a distinction between
> finding the postcode and finding the material marked with the postcode.
> Please just read section 10.7 of the manual.
>
>
>
> --Brian MacWhinney
>
>
>
> *From: *ChiBolts <chibolts at googlegroups.com> on behalf of Katerina
> Tetzloff <katie.tetzloff.12 at gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *ChiBolts <chibolts at googlegroups.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 9:12 AM
> *To: *ChiBolts <chibolts at googlegroups.com>
> *Cc: *"katie.tetzloff.12 at gmail.com" <katie.tetzloff.12 at gmail.com>
> *Subject: *Re: CHAT/CLAN help: add to %mor, missing items, %err line,
> post codes
>
>
>
> Thank you for your response!
>
> -Regarding the first question, I must have had some sort of typo, because
> I am not getting any errors at the moment. I will try editing the v.cut, as
> you said this would be the best way to do that. I don't have a huge corpus,
> so it should be doable for the tokens I have.
>
> -I did, however, get an error when trying to code errors on the main tier.
> For example:
> PAR*:     The fish [* s:r] caught the man [* s:r].
>
> This gave me error messages until I replaced the error indication on the
> main tier to just [*] and specified the [* s:r] on the error tier. Should
> this work just on the main tier?
>
>
>
> -I will put my postcodes back onto the main line! Thank you! However, how
> do I run commands searching for lines with a certain postcode? I was
> thinking
>
>
>
> Thank you!!
>
> -Katerina
>
> On Tuesday, 7 June 2016 14:59:09 UTC-5, Brian MacWhinney wrote:
>
> Dear Katerina,
>
> I couldn’t replicate any problem directly.  Probably I don’t understand
> what you are doing.  Which program is giving you the error message?  To
> understand this, I would need to see your command line and a one-line file
> in which you enter the code and get an error message.
>
>  However, the right way to do this would be to add verb class codes to all
> the verbs in the v.cut file in the English MOR grammar.  That is a big job,
> but it would be the right way to tackle the issue.
>
>   Regarding searches for 0det and such, you would use +s”0*” in FREQ,
> KWAL, etc.
>
>   Yes, you can run commands on the %err tier.   You use +t%err.  However,
> we encourage people to do error coding on the main line.  The manual has a
> section on this.
>
>     Postcodes go on the main line.
>
>
>
> --Brian MacWhinney
>
>
>
> *From: *ChiBolts <chib... at googlegroups.com> on behalf of Katerina
> Tetzloff <katie.te... at gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *ChiBolts <chib... at googlegroups.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 12:32 PM
> *To: *ChiBolts <chib... at googlegroups.com>
> *Subject: *CHAT/CLAN help: add to %mor, missing items, %err line, post
> codes
>
>
>
> I am currently undertaking a project that requires automated language
> analysis and have chosen to use CLAN. I have consulted the CHAT and CLAN
> user manuals but am left with a few questions, hopefully some of you can
> answer.
>
> 1)      -  Is there a way to add more detail to the %mor tier and run
> analyses on these things that are not mentioned in the CHAT manual? I am
> wanting to code argument structure of verbs. I tried adding an extra
> classification on my %mor tier like v|give-3S-PAST-ditransitive, but it
> gives me an error that it does not recognize that code. I am not sure how
> to edit the %mor file to adjust this, if it is even doable.
>
>
>
> 2)     - If I code missing items, like 0det for missing determiner, how
> can I run commands just involving these absent items?
>
>
>
> 3)     - Can I run commands on the error tier? I have coded semantic
> errors and would like to run an analysis on these if possible.
>
>
>
> 4)    - I also would like to use post codes (e.g., [+gram] is mentioned
> in the CHAT manual) at the end of lines, but the manual doesn’t say on
> which tier this code needs to be. I have been putting it on the annotation
> tier, which does not cause any errors, but I am unable to run commands
> based on the post-code.
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
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