Question about MOR and GRA Tiers

Thu Oct 4 20:40:56 UTC 2018

Yes, that might happen, if the relevant files had been downloaded perhaps a year ago or so.  However, every month or two, I run the Chatter validator on all the files in TalkBank and that guarantees that current files would not have this problem.

--Brian MacWhinney  

> On Oct 4, 2018, at 4:24 PM, Nan Bernstein Ratner <nratner at umd.edu> wrote:
> 
> We think we figured out one major reason. If you download files from CHILDES that are already mor-ed, they were done a while back, and your newer CLAN program has trouble. Just re- mor them and all should be well.
> 
> N
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> Nan Bernstein Ratner, F-, H-ASHA, F-AAAS, ABCLD
> Professor
> Hearing and Speech Sciences
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> My PubMed Bibliography <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/myncbi/1-UVaaDdREZ/bibliography/40436718/public/?sort=date&direction=ascending>
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> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 4:13 PM Brian MacWhinney <macw at cmu.edu <mailto:macw at cmu.edu>> wrote:
> Dear Nan and Sara,
> 
> Usually, what causes this is editing the main line after having run MOR/POST/GRASP.  Specifically, you may have either added or removed a word on the main line.
> 
> --Brian MacWhinney
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Nan Bernstein Ratner <nratner at umd.edu <mailto:nratner at umd.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>> It's happening a lot when we run check in the lab this week - what leads to mismatches between tiers?
>> 
>> Nan Bernstein Ratner, F-, H-ASHA, F-AAAS, ABCLD
>> Professor
>> Hearing and Speech Sciences
>> University of Maryland
>> 0100 Lefrak Hall
>> College Park, MD 20742
>> nratner at umd.edu <mailto:nratner at umd.edu>, 301-405-4217
>> 
>> Co-director: FluencyBank (www.fluency.talkbank.org <http://www.fluency.talkbank.org/>);  http://languagefluency.umd.edu/ <http://languagefluency.umd.edu/>  
>> 
>> President, International Fluency Association (IFA; http://theifa.org <http://theifa.org/>)
>> Director, University of Maryland Autism Research Consortium (UMARC), www.autism.umd.edu <http://www.autism.umd.edu/>
>> Faculty, Language Science (languagescience.umd..edu), Neuroscience & Cognitive Neuroscience (NACS, nacs.umd.edu <http://nacs.umd.edu/>), Developmental Science Field Committee
>> 
>> http://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/bernstein%20ratner/nan <http://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/bernstein%20ratner/nan>
>> 
>> My PubMed Bibliography <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/myncbi/1-UVaaDdREZ/bibliography/40436718/public/?sort=date&direction=ascending>
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:58 PM Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu <mailto:spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>> wrote:
>> Sara,
>> 
>> 	The simplest way to fix it is to run MOR command on the transcript file again. If this does not work, then get the latest CLAN and the latest MOR grammar and to run MOR command on your transcript file one more time. The +d7 option tries to match items from %mor tier to items on %gra tier and if those two tiers have different number of items, then there will be a mismatch.
>> 
>> if after you get a new CLAN and new MOR grammar and run MOR command on your transcript and you still get the same error message, then please email your transcript file directly to me for further testing.
>> 
>> 
>> Leonid.
>> 
>>> On Oct 4, 2018, at 15:11, Sara Kalyan <skalyan at gwmail.gwu.edu <mailto:skalyan at gwmail.gwu.edu>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, 
>>> 
>>> We are trying to use the +d7 switch with freq to search for items on the %mor and %gra tiers, but get the following error message. Can anyone help with this? We don't know how to fix this error or how to proceed. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *** File "/Users/sreyes/Research$/BILD/BILD Core/Diversity Project/ Participant Transcripts_NBR_MOR  /R01ED004-EN.cha": line 2280.
>>> SELECTED DEPENDENT TIER DOES NOT LINK IN SIZE TO SECOND SELECTED TIER.
>>> THIS MAY EFFECT RESULTS OF THE ANALYSES.
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your help 
>>> -- 
>>> Sara R. Kalyan 
>>> M.A Candidate 
>>> Department of Speech, Language and Hearing Sciences 
>>> The George Washington University 
>>> skalyan at gwmail.gwu.edu <mailto:skalyan at gwmail.gwu.edu>
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>>> 
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