question about spanish MOR

[Janet Bang]

Got it. We will try it out and see if it will work for our
transcripts. Thank you!

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 12:20 PM Brian MacWhinney <macw at andrew.cmu.edu>
wrote:

> Dear Janet,
>
> The use of prepost rules is described in the MOR manual.  However, I
> wouldn’t recommend creating them unless you have a really clear idea about
> all the ways in which they could overgeneralize.
>
> -- Brian MacWhinney
> Teresa Heinz Professor of Cognitive Psychology,
> Computational Linguistics,
> and Modern Languages, CMU
>
> > On Jan 17, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Janet Bang <janet.bang at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Brian,
> >
> > Thank you for your help! Yes we have noted that for Spanish that the
> taggers are quite good in terms of the break down. In our own review of a
> couple of transcripts we've also noted about 95% accuracy for part of
> speech and lemma each and even a higher percentage if you consider accuracy
> of the lemma alone, so we are pretty happy with how we can automate such a
> complicated step.
> >
> > Our version of the SPA MOR was downloaded in 2018, so we will download
> the newer version.
> >
> > For the prepost rules, I am not familiar with how to incorporate these.
> How would I include this in the SPA MOR?
> >
> > Janet
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 6:16 PM Brian MacWhinney <macw at andrew.cmu.edu>
> wrote:
> > Dear Janet,
> >     Typically, automatic taggers get about 95% of the words right.  The
> best for adult written English are up to 97%.  For CHILDES English, we can
> hit about 97%.  For Spanish, we are probably down around 95%, although
> sometimes it seems better.
> >
> > In the case of ratito, you must be using some much earlier version of
> SPA MOR.  The current version doesn't have this problem.  The case of
> bonita is different. It created a few test sentences and it seems that this
> problem arises when bonita is the last word in the sentences, as in "es una
> niña bonita".  The problem is that the association of "co" with final
> position is so strong that it overrides the association of an adjective
> with the preceding noun.  This can be corrected with a couple of prepost
> rules that take words that can be either co or adj and force them to be adj
> when they follow a noun.  Here are the rules:
> >
> > # es una gata bonita
> > n|* co:voc|*^adj|* => n|* adj|*
> > # es una niña bonita
> > co:voc|*^n|* co:voc|*^adj|* => n|* adj|*
> >
> > These work for these cases, but (1) you may have other cases I don't
> know about, and (2) prepost rules can also mess up other things.  So,
> please give this a try.
> >
> > --Brian
> >
> >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:47 PM, Janet Y Bang <jbang at stanford.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> We are working with the Spanish MOR and noticed a few errors in the MOR
> line:
> >>
> >>      • bonita oftentimes gets broken down into co:voc|bonita=pretty in
> cases where the word "bonita" is being used to modify a noun, e.g.,
> utterance is "niña bonita.
> >>      • In cases were "rato" or "ratito" is used to indicate a period of
> time, oftentimes the breakdown is n|rato&m-DIM=rat OR n|rato-m=rat.
> >> What would be the most efficient way to fix these errors? We have a
> lab-internal .cut file where we are adding new words to our internal mor
> dictionary that were not in the downloaded dictionary (so that we can keep
> track of differences between our lab lexical items and the downloaded
> dictionary), but we weren't sure how to override words that were already in
> the dictionary? Would it be best to fix these in the relevant cut files in
> the lex folder (i.e., adj.cut, n.cut, respectively)?
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >> Janet
> >>
> >> --
> >> Janet Y. Bang, Ph.D.
> >> Postdoctoral Fellow
> >> Department of Psychology
> >> Stanford University
> >>
> >> jbang at stanford.edu
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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