MEGRASP for french

[sophie.fagniart at gmail.com]

Dear Mr MacWhinney,

Thanks a lot for your answer. I understand that the creation of a solid 
training corpus will be effortful. As you suggest, i'll start with a use 
the english MEGRASP function to annote the grammatical relations of some 
transcripts : it will be a usefull base (basic sentences structures of 
french and english being quite similar) for then correcting the tagging by 
following the manual instructions.
I'm looking forward to see the results of your summer works.

Kind regards,

Sophie



Le mercredi 29 juin 2022 à 21:52:11 UTC+2, macw a écrit :

> Dear Sophie,
>     We don’t distribute the training corpora for each language along with 
> the MOR grammars, so you are not seeing the crucial piece that would be 
> needed for French.  You can read chapter 11 of the MOR manual to understand 
> which grammatical relations would have to be tagged.  I would say that 
> creating a reasonable training corpus for French would take about 10 days 
> of solid work.  It could be a bit faster if one uses the trick of starting 
> by using the English MOR.
>     Later this summer I will be exploring the use of Universal Dependency 
> taggers for this purpose, but I can’t promise anything about this now.
>
> —Brian MacWhinney
>
> On Jun 29, 2022, at 2:44 PM, sophie.... at gmail.com wrote:
>
> Editing my message :
>
> The answer was in my question message : by using english grammar, i've 
> succeed running MEGRASP on my training corpus. Now the MEGRASP function 
> works on all my transcript, I now need to check if it seems reliable.
>
> If anyone have tried the same experience on french trancripts, i would be 
> very interesting on any feedback.
>
> Regards,
>
> Fagniart S.
>
> Le mercredi 29 juin 2022 à 20:29:46 UTC+2, sophie.... at gmail.com a écrit :
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I would like to study different syntactic measures on my transcripts, bit 
>> I saw that the MEGRASP function doesn't exist in the actual version of CLAN 
>> for french. I've also read in the manual that it would be possible to 
>> create a training corpus (and thus a megrasp.mod file), so i have two 
>> questions : 
>> - can you confirm that It will be possible to use the training corpus to 
>> use MEGRASP on my french transcripts ? 
>> - I've just tried the procedure described in the manual and I'm not sure 
>> if i'm doing it right ... 
>> Here is a part of the CLAN output (running MEGRASP on a short training 
>> corpus in training mode) :
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>> *Finished processing file with 7 and 1 errors.widthfactor = 
>> 1.000000preparing for estimation...donenumber of samples = 66number of 
>> features = 599calculating empirical expectation...doneperforming LMVM  0 of 
>> 301  logl(err) = -2.708050 (0.4091)  1 of 301  logl(err) = -1.856078 
>> (0.4091)  2 of 301  logl(err) = -1.780707 (0.4091)*
>> *....*
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>> But i didn't find any megrasp.mod file in the core files. Do i have to 
>> use the english grammar for this procedure, with the megrasp.mod file 
>> created with a french training corpus ? 
>>
>> Thanks a lot for your help,
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Fagniart S.
>>
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