Differences in MOR output using macOS and Linux

Thu Jan 23 21:31:38 UTC 2025

Hi Leonid, thank you very much for your reply.

I think you are on the right track, I recall the differences could be
caused by something like that. I don't know the technical details about
lexicon implementations but I can check it out as well and see if I
discover something.
I can send you examples next Tuesday that I'll be on my office computer.

Right now I just remember there were problems with some diminutives (i.e
perro (dog) -> perrito (little dog)) (not all)

I'm glad you have the time to work on this.
Best,
L.

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El jue, 23 ene 2025 a la(s) 6:22 p.m., Leonid Spektor (
spektor at andrew.cmu.edu) escribió:

> Hi Leandro,
>
> I am still trying to figure out why Mac/Windows and Unix outputs are
> different. I noticed that on Mac/Windows words with accents like "móntale"
> and striped of accents and are converted to stem "monta". The word
> "móntale" is not in the lexicon, so striping accents occurs before the word
> is looked up in the lexicon list. On Unix the accents are not striped, so
> MOR can't find "móntale" word anywhere in the Spanish lexicon. I did not
> create Spanish grammar, so it takes a long time for me to figure out where
> the conversion occurs.
>
> Is this the difference in Windows and Linux you are noticing? Or can you
> give me an example of the difference in outputs that you are referring to
> in your email?
>
> I just wanted to let you know that I am still working on this.
>
>
> Leonid.
>
> On Jan 22, 2025, at 12:21, Leandro Garber <leandrogarber at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, I hope you are starting 2025 great.
>
> Just wanted to report that I've just downloaded the latest Linux version
> and I'm getting different outputs on Linux compared to Windows (not Mac
> this time as the title suggests). I've been able to run Windows version
> with Wine emulator in order to do the comparison.
>
> On linux I'm running:
>
> /path/to/mor -L/path/to/lib/spa my_cha_file.cha
> /path/to/post +d/path/to/lib/spa/post.db my_cha_file.cha
> /path/to/postmortem -L/path/to/lib/spa my_cha_file.cha
> /path/to/megrasp -L/path/to/lib/spa my_cha_file.cha
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> Thanks in advance
> L.
> El Tuesday, December 28, 2021 a la(s) 4:29:28 PM UTC-3, Leandro Garber
> escribió:
>
>> That was fast.
>>
>> I've just downloaded it, compiled it, and yes, it works like a charm.
>> Files are identical now.
>>
>> Thanks for your help and happy new year.
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> El mar, 28 dic 2021 a las 15:47, Leonid Spektor (<spe... at andrew.cmu.edu>)
>> escribió:
>>
>>> The Unix bug has been fixed. New UNIX code is on the web.
>>>
>>>
>>> Leonid.
>>>
>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 13:38, Leandro Garber <leandr... at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Brian and Leonid for your time, I hope I didn't spoil your
>>> holidays !
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Leandro.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> El mar, 28 dic 2021 a las 15:21, Leonid Spektor (<spe... at andrew.cmu.edu>)
>>> escribió:
>>>
>>>> Apparently there is a bug in Unix MOR code that fails to read pre-post
>>>> rules file. I am working on this right now and I will let everyone know
>>>> when it is fixed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Leonid.
>>>>
>>>> > On Dec 28, 2021, at 13:17, Brian Macwhinney <ma... at andrew.cmu.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I guess Leonid didn’t include PREPOST in the Unix distribution.  We
>>>> are all on vacation this week and next.  Any chance you could rely on Mac
>>>> OS instead?
>>>> >
>>>> > — Brian
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Dec 28, 2021, at 12:33 PM, Leandro Garber <leandr... at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dear Brian,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks for your quick response. I can't find a "prepost" binary in
>>>> my bin folder, is it named something different ?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Best Regards,
>>>> >> Leandro.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> El mar, 28 dic 2021 a las 13:57, Brian Macwhinney (<
>>>> ma... at andrew.cmu.edu>) escribió:
>>>> >> Dear Leandro,
>>>> >>    It appears that on Linux, you are not running the PREPOST
>>>> program, which is a step in the MOR-PREPOST-POST-POSTMORTEM-MEGRASP chain
>>>> on Mac.  For your two examples, I think that the Mac version is better.
>>>> So, I would recommend either relying on that or else running PREPOST on
>>>> Linux also.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> — Brian MacWhinney
>>>> >> Teresa Heinz Professor of Cognitive Psychology,
>>>> >> Language Technologies and Modern Languages, CMU
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Leandro Garber <leandr... at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Hi everyone,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> We are processing some CHA files with MOR and we are finding
>>>> differences between the same files processed on Linux and on MacOS.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Both using the latest version of MOR for english downloaded from
>>>> https://talkbank.org/morgrams/
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Some examples:
>>>> >>> -------------------
>>>> >>> *FA1:        well it ended up there in your pile
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> MacOS:
>>>> >>> %mor:        co|well pro:per|it v|end-PAST prep|up n|there prep|in
>>>> det:poss|your
>>>> >>>        n|pile .
>>>> >>> Linux:
>>>> >>> %mor:        co|well pro:per|it v|end-PAST adv|up adv|there prep|in
>>>> >>>        det:poss|your n|pile .
>>>> >>> ------------------------------
>>>> >>> *MA1:        Morgan doesn't bite .
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> MacOS:
>>>> >>> %mor:        n:prop|Morgan mod|do&3S~neg|not v|bite .
>>>> >>> Linux:
>>>> >>> %mor:        n:prop|Morgan mod|do&3S~neg|not n|bite .
>>>> >>> -------------------------------
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> We are using CLAN from the UI in macOS and on Linux we are using:
>>>> >>> mor +L/path/to/lib/eng [chaFilePath]
>>>> >>> post +d/path/to/lib/eng/post.db [chaFilePath]
>>>> >>> postmortem +L/path/to/lib/eng $1
>>>> >>> megrasp +L/path/to/lib/eng $1
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> We found that on Linux post, postmortem and megrasp don't
>>>> automatically run so we manually do it.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Am I missing something ? Shouldn't the output be the same ?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> >>> Leandro.
>>>> >>>
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