<shabon> ... this gets kind of technical ...

[David Robertson]

> >>entered CJ via frequent, and perduring, contact between Indians and
> >>cheechako -- i.e. in and near permanent settlements.
> >
> >There were no permanent settlements pre-1858.
>
> What is this definition of permanent settlement? Indigenous peoples had
> permanent settlements. And in Oregon, Jason Lee, and McLaughlin had
> permanent settlements established before this time. Maybe you mean in BC?
>
> David [Lewis]

[Dave Robertson responding:]  What I meant by 'permanent settlements' was
any permanent settlement, indigenous or not, though mostly the latter
since I imagine most Interior Salish traditional life to follow a seasonal
round of migration.  In fact I more or less exclude permanent winter camp
sites, thinking rather of locations where the indigenous and the outsiders
would have had those 'frequent, and perduring, contacts':  Around HBC
forts, for example, and around ['White'] towns.

With regard to the suggested date of 1858 for earliest permanent
non-Indian settlement, I suspect I will disagree with that.  Kamloops, for
example, was certainly an HBC hub decades before that.  Fort Colvile goes
quite a ways back as well.  Fort Camosun (which became Victoria) also
predates that mark.

But Mike may be referring to the earliest official incorporation of a
'White' town in BC, about which subject I'm entirely ignorant.

Best,
Dave R.