Delurking & phonetics

[Barbara Harris]

Hi Dave:

This didn't go through the first time as I managed to mis-spell the
listserv address.

Rob: Sorry to be repetitive; I couldn't figure out how else to do this.

Barbara.

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> From: Barbara Harris <barbara_harris at telus.net>
> To: Rob Nierse <rnierse at ANWB.NL>
> Cc: chinook at listserv.liguistlist.org
> Subject: Re: Delurking & phonetics
> Date: August 31, 2000 11:06 AM
>
> Hi Rob:
>
> I am a recently retired professor of Linguistics from the University of
> Victoria, and I have been working on Chinook Jargon from a
> historical/linguistic perspective for over ten years. LincomEuropa, a
> German publisher, has recently commissioned me to write a grammar of the
> Jargon, and with any luck I should have it to them by next spring. As far
> as phonology goes, like any language, the pronunciation of CJ varies
> according to the area and the speaker. For instance, we up here in
British
> Columbia pronounce (and spell) it differently from the people at Grand
> Ronde, and even within the area, pronunciations differ depending on the
> linguistic background of the individual speaker. What the people of GR
are
> doing is trying to establish a standard for them, and that's great, but
> there never was and (I believe) never can be a single standard for the
> whole area - that would be like expecting all Canadians or all Americans
or
> all Englishmen to sound the same!
>
> There a quite a lot of Bible translations, prayers, etc., available -
there
> was even a newspaper, the Kamloops Wawa for some time - but most of these
> are in museums or other collections. I have copies of quite a lot of them
> in my own collection, and I'm sure that some are on the various Internet
CJ
> sites.
>
> It's great to have people from outside North America getting interested
in
> the Jargon - you will learn a lot from reading the list.
>
> Good luck in your studies,
>
> Barbara Harris
> Assistant Professor Emerita
> University of Victoria
> Victoria, B.C. Canada
>
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> From: Rob Nierse <rnierse at ANWB.NL>
> To: CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG
> Subject: Delurking & phonetics
> Date: August 31, 2000 6:45 AM
>
> Hello all,
>
> my name is Rob Nierse and I am new to the list, so I will introduce
myself
> properly.
>
> I'm living in the Netherlands and looking on this list since a couple of
> weeks.
> I am very much interested in CHinook Jargon and determined to learn the
> language.
> I have studied Amerindian languages for four years, mainly languages in
> Middle and South America. The only North American language I studied was
> Sechelt (Salishan). Besides Amerindian languages I studied some Basque
and
> Papiamentu and pidgin and creole languages in general.
>
> So the combination of my interest in pidgins and Amerindian languages
> automatically leads to interest in Chinook Jargon.
> During my study I could not find proper texts and grammars,
> and forgot about Chinook.
>
> Lately I saw a translation on another mailing list and got interested
once
> again.
> Things have changed now since Internet and I have found plenty of
material.
>
> Even though all the sites are very instructive I still have some
questions
> and
> I hope you can help me. One thing is about phonology/phonetics:
>
> >>> Nadja Adolf <nadja at NODE.COM> 08/31 4:31  >>>
> > LaXayEm  tilixEm,
> <snip>
>
> This is phonetic writing, more accurate than "klahowyam tillicum".
> Nevertheless I have not found a dictionary with this orthography.
> How/where can I find such a dictionary or wordlist?
>
> If there is no such list available, how can I determine the exact
> pronunciation
> of the words, so how do I know if a /k/ is actually a [k], [k'], [k_h],
> [q], [q'] or [q_h]?
> Are there rules to determine this (I'm afraid not, but one never can
> tell...) ?
>
> The other thing is, I would like to read texts (in my opinion the best
way
> to learn
> a language if no native speakers are available). Where can I find longer
> texts
> (or a Bible translations or something like that?)
>
> Thank you for any help in advance.
>
> Rob Nierse
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