King George

[terry glavin]

not sure which posts established when, but the british/canadian presence in
the athapaskan-speaking country immediately to the east of the tlingit
country was quite significant by the 1840s. also fort stikine was
established by agreement with the russians. the tlingits were armed with
british muskets when they attacked and burned the russian ostrog archangel
(later new archangel, later sitka). incidental anecdote i've always liked:
the hawaaian king kemehameha offered to send troops to assist the russians
in their difficulties with the tlingits, but the russians sensibly declined
and established peace terms with the tlingits.

also find that term "ahtna" interesting. probably associated with the term
that apparently recurs throughout the athapaskan country as a'na (southern
carrier) a'nay (tsilqot'in) etc. i believe it can be generally translated as
"foreigner" (i.e. `so chaps. who are those fellows downriver from your
villages?' ` `they're the a'na' etc.)

can anyone out there elaborate on this?


tg.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Cleven <mike_cleven at HOTMAIL.COM>
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Date: 30 April 2000 13:42
Subject: Re: King George


>>From: "Alan H. Hartley" <ahartley at D.UMN.EDU>
>
>>
>>The Hdbk of N. Amer. Indians VII (1990) p. 226 says:
>>
>>"The Ahtna, associating the Tlingit with Canadian trade routes or with
>>Hudson's Bay Company goods, called them genzhu:y, as if 'King George
>>(men)'...a similar name was used by a number of other Subarctic tribes."
>>
>>The author cites F. de Laguna et al. _Archeology of the Yakutat Bay
>>Area_ (1964) p.?, and J. Kari & M. Buck _Ahtna Noun Dictionary_ (1975)
>>p. 59.
>>
>>The Ahtna are north of (inland from) the Eyak.
>
>Which suggests an older furtrade-era introduction of the Jargon, at least
>some terms of it, into these regions than the main Klondike influx that
came
>later.  Does anyone around here know when the northwesterly inland
>forts/posts of the HBC were founded, i.e. Lower Post, Atlin, etc.?
>
>MC
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