"Ankuttie" Chinook, a language standardized for an odd purpose: Writing one word at a time...was Re: [Fwd: Re: "Tanasvale" in Portland, Oregon]

Wed Oct 11 01:08:18 UTC 2000

Hayash mersi, Jeff,

As usual your energy makes for creative results.

AnyWho sounds like a neat research tool, and of course we should keep in mind the variant spellings that are used in the Old Style for many Chinook Jargon words.

But it's remarkable how many CJ words there are which have gained virtually standardized spellings in the English alphabet:  "skookum", "kloshe", "illahee", "wawa", "chuck", "hiyu" or "hi-yu".

Can any of you think of others?

These were words which were widely known and apparently relatively frequently used by speakers of English, and maybe for that reason they were or will be the last fragments of Chinook Jargon to be forgotten by Bostons.  (There's another one--"Boston"!)  Fodder for a brief paper in the subfield of linguistics now known as Language Death (for real).

It strikes my funnybone that one could fairly say CJ had, by its time of maximum expansion, become quite standardized in written form.  However, these standardized spellings applied mostly, I think, to "bons mots" of Jargon; meaning, to isolated words dropped into Northwest English discourse.  Compare this with the widely accepted use of "soundbites" of Latin, French, or Greek in literary English.

When people wanted to demonstrate that they had an active grasp of spoken Chinook Jargon, it seems to me, they wrote it the way they perceived the sounds, rather than following the spellings of Gibbs' vocabulary or the like.  (I'm thinking of quotations like "Cla-how-you six!")

Thoughts?

Dave

Jeffrey Kopp <jeffkopp at USWEST.NET> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 03:20:31 -0400, "Dave Robertson"
> <TuktiWawa at NETSCAPE.NET> wrote:
>
> >-------- Original Message --------
> >Subject: Re: "Tanasvale" in Portland, Oregon
> >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:12:57 -0700 (PDT)
> >From: psu18009 at pdx.edu
> >[Henry Zenk writes...] finding some good
> >recent Jargon placenames.  Aside from some names Tony and I coined for tribal
> >projects in Grand Ronde, about all that comes to my mind immediately is "Big's
> >Hiyu Hihi", a fast food joint down by Eugene (Veneta, perhaps).  It's been there
> >awhile, though.  Henry
>
> Yes, though they spell it as four words.  Here's their phone book
> listing (from www.anywho.com):
>
> BIGS HI YU HE HE DRIVE IN
> 88315 N Territorial Road
> Veneta, OR 97487-0940
> 541 935 1462
>
> Curious to see if there were any other Hiyu's out there, I searched
> Anywho for Oregon and Washington for the term, but that is the only
> one that came back (so near matches in any position would have been
> returned).
>
> There are, however:
>
> SKOOKUM
> 2310 Industrial Avenue
> Hubbard, OR 97032
> 503 982 9745
> (Marine Equipment & Supplies)
>                  
> SKOOKUM MARINE
> 29772 Clear Lake Road
> Eugene, OR 97402-0950
> 541 688 6908
> (Boat Equipment Supplies & Services)
>                  
> SKOOKUM REFORESTATION
> 29772 Clear Lake Road
> Eugene, OR 97402-0950
> 541 688 1900
> (Landscape Contractors & Designers)
>                
> SKOOKUM
> 126 Winslow Way W
> Bainbridge Island, WA 98110-0251
> 206 842 0681
> (Clothes & Accessories Women)
>
> SKOOKUM ARCHERS
> Puyallup, WA 98371
> 253 770 4177
> (Archery Ranges)
>                  
> SKOOKUMBAY OUTFITTERS
> 120 S H Street
> Aberdeen, WA 98520-0651
> 360 533 0825
> (Canoes & Kayaks Sales Trips & Classes)
>                  
> SKOOKUM BOTTLE WASH 2
> 847 W Park Avenue
> Port Townsend, WA 98368-0227
> 360 379 3442
> (Recycling Centers & Collection Depots)
>
> SKOOKUM CHINOOK CAMPGROUNDS
> 1301 Marshall Lake Road
> Newport, WA 99156-0910
> 509 447 4158
> (Resorts & Vacation Cottages)
>                  
> SKOOKUMCHUCK ELECTRIC INC
> P Bx 723 P Bx 723
> Tenino, WA 98589-0072
> 360 264 4210
> (Electric Contractors)
>                  
> SKOOKUMCHUCK MOBILE MANOR
> 21541 Bucoda Highway Se
> Centralia, WA 98531-0954
> 360 736 7503
> (Manufactured & Mobile Home Parks)
>                  
> SKOOKUM CREEK FISH HATCHERY
> Acme, WA 98220
> 360 595 2142
> (Establishment Not Classified)
>                  
> SKOOKUM EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM
> Belfair, WA 98528
> 360 275 5552
> (Establishment Not Classified)
>                  
> SKOOKUM EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM
> P.O. Box 1159
> Port Townsend, WA 98368-0003
> 360 385 4980
> (Toys Wholesale & Manufactures)
>                  
> SKOOKUM EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM
> 385 Benedict Street
> Port Townsend, WA 98368-0462
> 360 385 4980
> (Toys Wholesale & Manufactures)
>
> SKOOKUM EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM
> 301 County Landfill Road
> Port Townsend, WA 98368-0962
> 360 385 7678
> (Recycling Centers & Collection Depots)
>                  
>
> SKOOKUM EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM
> P Bx 1159
> Port Townsend, WA 98368-0003
> 360 275 5552
> (Establishment Not Classified)
>                  
> SKOOKUM INC
> Port Townsend, WA 98368
> 360 385 3156
> (Paper Shredded)
>                  
> SKOOKUM LOGGING
> 819 Shamrock Drive
> Aberdeen, WA 98520-0155
> 360 532 2186
> (Logging Companies & Contractors)
>
> SKOOKUM LUMBER COMPANY
> 1821 W Bay Drive Nw
> Olympia, WA 98502-0431
> 360 352 7633
> (Lumber Wholesale)
>                  
> SKOOKUM LUMBER COMPANY
> 780 W State Route 108
> Shelton, WA 98584-0776
> 360 426 9721
> (Saw Mills)
>                  
> SKOOKUM MOBILE HOME PARK
> 3910 Olympic Highway
> Aberdeen, WA 98520-0318
> 360 533 5668
> (Campground & Recreational Vehicle Parks)
>                  
> SKOOKUM OUTFITTER
> 2839 Fish Hatchery Road
> Sequim, WA 98382-0826
> 360 683 9867
> (Guide Service)
>                  
> SKOOKUM PRODUCTS
> 19304 Ne 198th Street
> Woodinville, WA 98072-0880
> 425 869 2009
> (Boat Manufactures)
>                  
> VESSEY & SONS SKOOKUM ROCK
> 7 County Farm Road
> Montesano, WA 98563-0961
> 360 249 4811
> (Builders & Contractors)
>                  
> SKOOKUM TREE COMPANY
> 207 E Arizona Avenue
> Roslyn, WA 98941
> 509 649 3104
> (Tree Services)
>                  
> ILLAHEE AT CHARBONNEAU
> 8755 Sw Illahee Court, OFC
> Wilsonville, OR 97070-0848
> 503 694 2883
> (Apartments & Buildings)
>
> KLOSHE ILLAHEE
> 2500 S 370th Street, OFC
> Federal Way, WA 98003-0761
> 253 838 3344
> (Manufactured & Mobile Home Parks)
>                  
> ILLAHEE APARTMENTS
> 14049 Bel Red Road
> Bellevue, WA 98007-0390
> 425 643 6190
> (Apartments & Buildings)
>                  
> ILLAHEE APARTMENTS
> 2500 George Washington
> Richland, WA 99352-0165
> 509 375 3018
> (Apartments & Buildings)
>                  
> ILLAHEE FOODS
> 5507 Illahee Road Ne
> Bremerton, WA 98311-0960
> 360 373 5138
> (Grocery Stores)
>                  
> ILLAHEE MANOR
> 6680 Illahee Road Ne
> Bremerton, WA 98311-0966
> 360 698 7555
> (Bed & Breakfast)
>                  
> POTLATCH CAFE & BAR
> Mossyrock, WA 98564
> 360 983 3585
> (Taverns)
>                  
> POTLATCH GALLERY
> 18830 Front Street Ne
> Poulsbo, WA 98370
> 360 779 3377
> (Art Galleries Dealers & Consultants)
>                  
> ADVANCE RESORTS OF AMERICA POTLATCH RESORT
> 420 Pearle Jensen Way
> La Conner, WA 98257
> 360 466 4468
> (Resorts & Vacation Cottages)
>                  
> POTLATCH RESORT
> 420 Pearle Jensen Way
> La Conner, WA 98257
> 360 466 4468
> (Resorts & Vacation Cottages)
>                  
> POTLATCH RESTAURANT AND LOUNGE
> Long Beach, WA 98631
> 360 642 3490
> (Banquet Facilities)
>
> POTLATCH BUILDERS
> P Bx 17355 P O Bx 17
> Portland, OR 97217-0035
> 503 222 4220
> (Remodeling & Repairing Building Contractors)
>
> And a variant spelling:
>
> PUD NO 1 OF MASON COUNTY POTLACH
> 21971 N Highway 101
> Hoodsport, WA 98548
> 360 877 5249
> (Electric Companies Utility)
>
> Well, I guess the Potlatch Tavern of NE 125 and 15th in Seattle is no
> more.
>
> Look up other Jargon business/place names in "Anywho"!  Works on
> street names, too!
>
> Besides above-mentioned Illahee Dr. in Bremerton there is an Illahee
> in Ocean Shores, Illahee Dr. in Oak Harbor, Illahee Fir on Fox
> Island, Illahee Ln in Clinton and Olympia,
>
> Illahee Ct. in Wilsonville, OR, Illahee Dr. in Bend, Illahee Road
> in Idleyld Park, OR,
>
> There is a Skookum Ct. in Florence, Oregon, Skookumchuck Rd in
> Tenino, Wash., Skookum Creek Road in Usk, Wash. (Usk??) and in
> Cusick, Wash., Skookum Drive in Shelton, Skookum Flat Rd in Lyle,
> Wash., and Skookum Flats Rd in Klickitat, Skookum Inlet Rd. in
> Shelton, Skookum Meadow Dr. in Newport, Skookum Rd in Poulsbo,
> Skookum Tom Rd. in Friday Harbor, and a Skookum View Dr. in Shelton.
>
> There is a Potlatch Lane in Camp Sherman, Oregon, Potlatch Ave. on
> Bainbridge Island, Potlatch Beach Rd. in Marysville, Potlatch Drive
> in Hoodsport.
>
> P.S. When I visit Olympia's Burger King, I see a building behind it
> that looks like a small, modern office or clinic, cryptically labeled
> just "Chinook."  What is it?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff