Lang backgrounds of LEP students in 2000-2001

Sat Mar 6 00:28:50 UTC 2004

Yes, and to cite the Ethnologue again, 12 Kiksht speakers were reported in
1996 ( http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=CHH ) out of a
"possible population" of 300 in 1977 — not sure how they define "possible
population".

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>From: "Tony Johnson" <Tony.Johnson at grandronde.org>
>To: <lilandbr at HOTMAIL.COM>,<CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG>
>Subject: Re: Lang backgrounds of LEP students in 2000-2001
>Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 10:27:52 -0800
>
>Another note in this regard.  I know at least five speakers of Kiksht
>(Upper Chinookan) at Warm Springs and Yakama.  I also know at least two
>individuals who are working very hard with their elder family members to
>become good second language learners.
>
>Tony A. Johnson
>Shawash-ili7i
>
> >>> Ros' Haruo <lilandbr at HOTMAIL.COM> 03/03/2004 6:01:14 PM >>>
>Jeffrey, you wrote (or quoted, I can't quite tell) "Note one student's
>"language background" got listed as "Upper Chinookan"--which could be
>an
>accurate report of heritage, but linguistically would be a 150-year
>stretch."
>
>Upper Chinookan is probably not dead, much less 150 years gone. The
>1990 US
>Census showed 69 speakers of Wasco-Wishram, including 7 monolinguals,
>according to the Ethnologue:
>
>http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=WAC
>
>lilEnd
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>         ROS' Haruo / 2355 Eastlake Ave E / Seattle WA 98102 / Usono
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>               ROS' Haruo = Leland Bryant ROSS
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Jeffrey Kopp <jeffreykopp at ATT.NET>
> >Reply-To: Jeffrey Kopp <jeffreykopp at ATT.NET>
> >To: CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG
> >Subject: Re: Lang backgrounds of LEP students in 2000-2001
> >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:50:27 -0800
> >
> >At 12:47 PM 3/1/2004, Jim Holton wrote:
> >>Given the source and the disclaimer at the bottom, I am wondering if
>the
> >>13 students didn't come from bi-lingual programs at Grand Ronde in
> >>2000-2001.  They might be lumping bi-lingual programs in with LEP
>programs
> >>for their estimate.
> >
> >Yes, that was my guess, too. It next occurred to me that not long
>before
> >the program began, there were still great-grandparents who had spoken
> >fluent Jargon, and I don't doubt they shared it lovingly with kids
>who
> >remain in school today. In either case (pre-program or after launch),
>it's
> >likely some of today's children were introduced to the Jargon as early
>as
> >English.
> >
> >Mr. Roy also mentions the LEP categorical criteria included the
>"influence"
> >(the criteria unfortunately employed the potentially pejorative term
> >"impact") of previous generations' languages upon Native Americans,
>though
> >I believe any such effect on today's Native children's
>English-learning
> >capability would be socio-economic in origin rather than linguistic.
>(The
> >goals of the LNCB Act might not even require distinguishing this
>point.)
> >
> >The source report appears a bit apologetic about its own sketchiness;
>the
> >criteria were in the process of revision at the time, so they some
>had
> >trouble getting fitting data out of the states:
> >
> >"Meaningful interpretation of the available data is challenging for
>several
> >reasons." Survey of the States' Limited English Proficient Students &
> >Available Educational Programs and Services, p. 9.
> ><http://www.ncela.gwu.edu/states/reports/seareports/0001/sea0001.pdf>
>or
> >(HTML):
> ><http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:LQcFWWU4nvYJ:www.ncela.gwu.edu/states/reports/seareports/0001/sea0001.pdf>
> >
> >This quirk may have been encouraged by one of the data-gathering
> >instruments, OMB No. 1885-0543. See page 4 (at 35 of the above .pdf):
> >
> >>A2. Languages Spoken by Grade Level
> >>List ALL the non-English languages spoken by LEP students and the
>number
> >>of LEP students at each grade level who speak each of those
>languages.
> >
> >This brought to mind the scenario of "Okay, kids.... Hey! Quiet down
>back
> >there! ....what other languages do you speak?" (I thought Emmett
>might
> >enjoy that.) It's an educational funding and planning report (and
>they
> >apparently did the best they could), not an anthropological or
>linguistic
> >study. Note one student's "language background" got listed as "Upper
> >Chinookan"--which could be an accurate report of heritage, but
> >linguistically would be a 150-year stretch. Of course, any kind of
>survey
> >stat below a couple points may offer interesting ideas for further
> >research, but can't be relied upon by itself.
> >
> >I kidded Dave privately about "trolling [his] own list" (not wishing
>to
> >launch any pointless hoo-ha's--at least until today's email came in,
>which
> >offered me the higher ground of rebutting them). But at least it got
>us a
> >couple new posts, plus word from one specialist we hadn't heard from
>before
> >(and welcome!)
> >
> >J.
>
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