What is "barred-L"

Francisc Czobor fericzobor at YAHOO.COM
Tue Apr 19 08:09:39 UTC 2005


Klahawya, Jordan pi kanawi-klaksta,

it's really interesting the fact that many words are very similar in CJ and Nahuatl.
Here are several possibilities:
- a distant relationship within the hypothetic "Amerind" superphylum between Chinookan and Uto-Aztecan; this would give account for instance for the pronominal root n- for 1st person sg., m- for 2nd person sg., both in Chinook (as well as in other "Penutian" languages, like Sahaptin and Wintu) and in Aztecan languages (Nahuatl, Pipil)
- a less distant relationship within a "(Macro-)Penutian" macrophylum (I have seen such taxonomic proposals comprising, beside the language families traditionally classified as "Penutian", also Mayan, Mixe-Zoquean, Totonacan, Uto-Aztecan, Zunu, Juave and even Mapudungun [Araucan] !!
- some trade contacts (before or after the arrival of Europeans), leading to reciprocal borrowings or borrowings from a common source
- chance resemblances: Chinook Jargon is full of it, for instance:
CJ lema/lima "hand" is similar to pan-Austronesian lima "hand; five", but comes from French "la main";
CJ kwinEm "five" is similar to Latin quinque "five" etc;
Proper Chinook niksht "not" looks very similar to German nicht "not";
and so on.

Francisc

Jordan Fink <jordan at RISEUP.NET> wrote:
I feel like the hissing sound IS kind of like "tl"

On another note, a friend of mind who has studied Nahuatl (the widely used
Aztec trade language) claims that many of the words of Chinook Jargon are
VERY similar to Nahuatl words.

hey all you linguist out there, does that make any sense?

-jordan

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