Donkey

Tue Feb 8 05:55:06 UTC 2005

OK. Mules are the result of a jack ass on a mare;
hinnies are the result of a stallion on a jenny.

Donkeys, however, are not hybrids of equine species.
Along with the horse, they are the foundation species
for creating a hybrid.

The reason I need to differentiate them is precisely
their use with horses in breeing Lemel. B^)

(It's pretty amazing that mules weren't much discussed
because they were very common as team animals and
riding stock. Many early lawmen and postmen rode them
because they are tougher than horses, and easier
keepers, to boot.)

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> Date:    Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:33:07 -0500
> From:    David Robertson <ddr11 at COLUMBIA.EDU>
> Subject: Re: Chinook Jargon word for Donkey?
>
> Naika tlus siks,
>
> You probably saw my answer coming...
>
> [On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:34:30 -0800, Leanne Riding
> <riding at TIMETEMPLE.COM>
> wrote:
>
> >"What is the Chinook Jargon word for Donkey?" --
> Should the correct answer
> for the question be, "Donkey"?]
>
> Yes.  I might say 'donkey' in Jargon.  I don't know
> the difference betweeen
> a mule & a donkey anyhow, so I might say the old CJ
> word 'lemel'.  Or
> even 'kiyutan' because I might not recognize a
> non-horsey equine in person.
>
> For comparison, I've looked at William Bright's
> "Animals of Acculturation
> in the California Indian Languages".  I've mentioned
> this little book on
> the list before; it's even handier than Cecil
> Brown's big book, for the
> present purpose.  Many fewer aboriginal languages in
> CA had words for
> either 'donkey' or 'mule' than had words for 'horse'
> or 'cow'.  There's a
> difference of saliency, we could say: Horses & cows
> are and were prominent,
> while donkeys & mules were less common and less
> important.
>
> Getting to specific that relate to the Jargon, for
> 'donkey' Bright cites
> Klamath /limi:l/ 'from Chinook Jargon, which in turn
> took the word from
> French la mule'.  He doesn't give a Klamath word for
> 'mule' and I suspect
> the linguist who recorded this as 'donkey' was as
> ignorant as I am about
> farm animals.  He or she may've only thought to ask
> for the one term.
>
> I also think the generic, default, unmarked word
> that we city folks use
> is 'donkey'.  (Compare the name chosen for a major
> character in the 'Shrek'
> movies.  It's Donkey, not *Mule, which would connote
> some specialized
> meaning, as does the slang term 'mule'='employee of
> a drug smuggler'.)  So
> unless you're in a circumstance where it's often
> important to differentiate
> two kinds of equine crossbreeds, you might find
> yourself content
> with 'donkey' in English, 'lemel' in CJ.
>
>
> --Dave R.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:14:07 -0800
> From:    Jeffrey Kopp <jeffreykopp at ATT.NET>
> Subject: Re: Chinook Jargon word for Donkey?
>
> At 09:33 PM 02/06/05, David Robertson wrote:
> >Yes.  I might say 'donkey' in Jargon.  I don't know
> the difference betweeen
> >a mule & a donkey anyhow, so I might say the old CJ
> word 'lemel'.  Or
> >even 'kiyutan' because I might not recognize a
> non-horsey equine in person.
>
> I might see "a non-horsey equine" personally, but if
> I ever meet one "in
> person" I'd be sure I wandered into the wrooong
> neighborhood. (And I'd
> really try to avoid recognizing them.)
>
> You may be too young to remember the Smothers
> Brothers' routine about
> "What! Burros have no sex?"
>
> If we keep this up we might attain the golden
> opportunity to bring up the
> word burdash on the list yet again.
>
> J.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:49:15 -0800
> From:    Kelvin Saxton <ksaxton at FASTMAIL.FM>
> Subject: Bruce "subiyay" Miller dead...
>
> Klahowyam sikhs,
>
> I heard on the radio this morning that Bruce Subiyay
> Miller died
> Saturday of a heat attack.
>
> The world has lost an amazing story teller and a
> true genious. Here is a
> link to the Seattle Times article.
>
>
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002172961_miller07m.html
>
> Keep well,
> Kelvin
>
> ---
>   Kelvin Saxton
>   ksaxton at fastmail.fm
>
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