James Kari guesses in his 1975 paper on the Babine language that the word "mEsin" for "copper" comes from CJ. (E = schwa) Are any of you familiar with that word? Could it be from Gitksan/Tsimshian? --Dave R To respond to the CHINOOK list, click 'REPLY ALL'. To respond privately to the sender of a message, click 'REPLY'. Hayu masi!