Native employees of sealing ships
Scott Tyler
s.tylermd at COMCAST.NET
Thu Apr 26 16:14:47 UTC 2007
Thank you for the story and picture reference.
scott/ooshtaqi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Glavin" <glavin at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA>
To: <CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: Native employees of sealing ships
> Hi Duane.
>
> That is the very photo indeed!
>
> And thanks for the great story behind it. I didn't know that. Hilarious,
> too.
>
> Cheers,
>
> T
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duane Pasco" <dpasco at EARTHLINK.NET>
> To: <CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Native employees of sealing ships
>
>
>> Terry........
>> You don't know me. I usually don't reply to these things, but I couldn't
>> let this one go sans comment.
>> I believe the canoe mentioned is one that was actually carved at Clo-
>> oose, an abandoned Nitinat village just south of the entrance to Nitinat
>> lake [actually a fourteen mile long fjord.]
>> There are a couple of photos of it that appear in various publications.
>> The captions usually say something like " Canoe carved by the Natives
>> from Nitinat and that the waters in the area were too turbulant for the
>> crew to handle it and it was discarded".
>> The canoe which was about sixty feet long with an approximate beam of
>> eight feet was commissioned by some Non-Natives with the idea of
>> starting a freight business from Victoria and up the west coast of
>> vancouver Island. A couple of carvers from Nitinat village carved every
>> day on it, camping at the site and returning home for the week- end. I'm
>> not sure wether the white guys worked on it, or not. When it was
>> completed and turned over to the clients, they couldn't handle it and so
>> they discarded it as a loss. There are some White men in the photos and
>> one might assume that they were the ones who commissioned it and may
>> have helped in it's construction. At any rate the Nitinat tribe were
>> able to handle it just fine and I was told by people at Nitinat that it
>> was used for years and made many trips to Neah Bay for potlatches.
>> There is a "Tashtai", or dinner song sung by members of Nitinat that
>> pokes fun at the carvers of the village that worked on the canoe. Part
>> of the words translate as something like "What are you doing? What are
>> you making? and "What's with the White guys?"
>> One of the photos has been used by other tribes such as Suquamish's
>> museum, claiming it to be one of their ancient vessels.
>> I've made a lot of canoes and would truly loved to have seen that on in
>> the flesh.
>> Duane Pasco
>>
>> On Apr 24, 2007, at 7:30 PM, Terry Glavin wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Scott.
>>>
>>> Great to talk to someone else who remembers the great Charles Queesto
>>> Jones.
>>>
>>> I have a photograph of what must be that "monster canoe" around
>>> someplace. And indeed it was a monster. It was the size of the hull of
>>> a small schooner; the photo I've seen depicts some men standing in it
>>> while it's on it's side and they look like dwarfs. I'll see if I can
>>> fine it - I expect it is in the on-line photo archives of the B.C.
>>> Archives and Records Service but it might take a while to find. As I
>>> recall, the caption had the word "Nitinat Lake" in it.
>>>
>>> ". . . the Indian owners of schooners were forced to give up their
>>> schooners in Neah Bay by the Indian Agent or a Washington State Agent
>>> who cited laws that, "Indians were not allowed to be skippers of these
>>> ships" Makahs being a generally civil tribe accepted this situation and
>>> got rid of their schooners. I have not seen documentation off these
>>> forced events."
>>>
>>> This is almost certainly a recollection of the Fur Seal Treaty of 1911.
>>> It scuppered the Victoria fleet, and as I recall, on this side of the
>>> line, aboriginal and non-aboriginal skippers were compensated. I seem
>>> to recall having come across the record of Fred Carpenter's schooner in
>>> his compensation claim.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> TG
>>>
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>>> Terry Glavin
>>>
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>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Tyler"
>>> <s.tylermd at COMCAST.NET>
>>> To: <CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Native employees of sealing ships
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Terry,
>>>> My grand mother Cecelia Frank from Ehaitesat & Newchatlet (married
>>>> name Smith and Sternbeck) said she had worked on sealing schooners.
>>>> According to my mother Cecelia had gone to the Bering Straights. I am
>>>> interested whether her name might have appeared on a schooner log as a
>>>> worker.
>>>> I never did know if these schooners were owned by Americans or
>>>> Canadians or if they were Native owned.
>>>>
>>>> Neah Bay elders did talk of owning a number of schooners. I was not
>>>> aware of documentation about the number of Neah Bay owned schooners.
>>>> Tribal elders told me, the Indian owners of schooners were forced to
>>>> give up their schooners in Neah Bay by the Indian Agent or a
>>>> Washington State Agent who cited laws that, "Indians were not allowed
>>>> to be skippers of these ships"
>>>> Makahs being a generally civil tribe accepted this situation and got
>>>> rid of their schooners. I have not seen documentation off these
>>>> forced events. Makah were compliant
>>>> in giving up these ships, stopping whale hunting and put gabled rooves
>>>> on their long house rafters or tore the long houses down and learned
>>>> to raise carrots and potatoes which do grown in Neah Bay as directed
>>>> by the federal government Indian agents.
>>>>
>>>> Now a days, armed with good lawyers the tribes put up better
>>>> struggles, created paper trails, and are less apt to do as told.
>>>>
>>>> I do know many of the pictures taken by Curtis did use props, some
>>>> wigs, and traditional clothing.
>>>>
>>>> I did meet Charlie Jones of Pacheenaht, and met his wife, and step son
>>>> John Thomas who worked with the Makah Language program.
>>>> Charlie did talk of a giant canoe that was made by Natives which was
>>>> taken out on the sea and found difficult to control and was hauled
>>>> ashore and
>>>> not used again. He described it as a 'monster canoe'. He said there
>>>> were pictures taken of this huge Nootkan style canoe.
>>>>
>>>> Greetings Scott/ooshtaqi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Glavin"
>>>> <glavin at INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA>
>>>> To: <CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 2:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Native employees of sealing ships
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Just a note to say native people were certainly not just employees on
>>>>> sealing schooners.
>>>>>
>>>>> While aboriginal people appear to have made up the bulk of the labour
>>>>> force in the Victoria-based fur-seal schooner fleet, the community of
>>>>> Ditidaht, on Vancouver Island's southwest coast, owned three sealing
>>>>> schooners. Specifically, they were owned by Charlie Chipps, Jimmie
>>>>> Nyetom and Jim Nawassum. Up the central coast, Heiltsuk fisherman
>>>>> Fred Carpenter built a sealing schooner at Bella Bella, costing him
>>>>> $4000, which was an absolute fortunate in those days (sometime around
>>>>> 1900).
>>>>>
>>>>> The Makah people owned a fleet of 12 sealing schooners, three of
>>>>> which were owned by Maquinna Jongie Claplanhoo, and Chestoqua
>>>>> Peterson owned the 42-ton brig Columbia as well as his own trading
>>>>> post.
>>>>>
>>>>> About 20 years ago I was fortunate to have interviewed the sealer
>>>>> Charles Queesto Jones of Pacheenaht, shortly before he died. He was
>>>>> 112. He had great stories of the high-seas fur-seal industry. I've
>>>>> always thought it astonishing how our views of west coast native life
>>>>> were coloured by such images as those beautiful sepia- toned
>>>>> photographs Edward Curtis took of Nuu-chah-nulth people barefoot in
>>>>> cedar capes weilding spears - years after Nuu-chah- nulth people were
>>>>> already sailing their own high-seas schooners in the Sea of Okhotsk,
>>>>> and wintering in Yokohama.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> TG
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> NOTE MY NEW E-ADDRESS: terry.glavin at gmail.com
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>>>>> Terry Glavin
>>>>>
>>>>> transmontanus.blogspot.com
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>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lewis"
>>>>> <coyotez at uoregon.edu>
>>>>> To: <CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 9:47 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Native employees of sealing ships
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Dave. I will look up the source. I have family that were
>>>>>> whalers and sealers in the BC-Alaska region.
>>>>>> David G Lewis, MA PhD ABD
>>>>>> Department of Anthropology, University of Oregon
>>>>>> Confederated Tribes of Grand Ronde
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:50:19 -0400, Dave Robertson <ddr11 at UVIC.CA>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Only slightly off topic, but definitely of interest to some of the
>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>> members: One interesting source of information on Native people's
>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>> aboard sealing ships is "Reminiscences of the West Coast of
>>>>>>> Vancouver
>>>>>>> Island" by Rev. Chas. Moser, OSB (Kakawis, BC, 1926).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Page 112, for example, tells about Nuuchahnulth men's work on Be
>>>>>>> (h)ring Sea
>>>>>>> sealers circa 1884.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's also information in the book about Mr. Guillod, the Indian
>>>>>>> agent
>>>>>>> who we know recorded a vocabulary of Chinook. Also sociolinguistic
>>>>>>> hints,
>>>>>>> like people talking broken English, interactions with Chinese
>>>>>>> immigrants,
>>>>>>> and so on. I also notice at least one Chinook Jargon name,
>>>>>>> "Tom-Sik
>>>>>>> Lepieds" [sic] (Tom Lame), on page 69.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --Dave R
>>>>>>>
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