Blue Heron

Tue May 1 10:14:17 UTC 2007

Dear Jim:  Welcome to this list; I've enjoyed your Comanche papers and
the dictionary.  I've seen Charles C's name spelt with an e-acute (which
i can't reporduce here) so I'd guess it was stressed finally.

Anthony

>>> jlarmagost <jlarmagost at VERIZON.NET> 04/28/07 4:06 pm >>>
BTW, since Tony mentioned Charles Cultee, I've been wondering for some
time
whether his name was stressed on the first syllable or the last. I've
seen
it cited both ways, sometimes by a single author in a single article
or
other work. Given the possibility/probability of typos, I haven't been
able
to pin it down yet.

hayu masi--

Jim

jlarmagost at verizon.net 

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From: The Chinook List [mailto:CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG]On
Behalf
Of Tony Johnson
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:22 AM
To: CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG 
Subject: Re: Blue Heron

  Blue Heron's specifically.

  By the way: I never knew the word Blue Heron as a child because my
family
always called them "Bay Center Turkeys."  Bay Center is the Chinook
Indian
community where many of us come from in recent years.  This includes
my
family, my wife's family, as well as many well know Chinooks like
Charles
Cultee and Emma Luscier.  I can't really say why they were referred to
that
way.

  Oh, and as for Scott inquiry about Robin's name-we usually say "pil
 tutush" or "pil tutush kala-kala."  I don't know that this is as
taught by
our elders, but is a good fit. Some of us also use the word "skasayt"
which
is one of the original words from the area.

  hayu masi (many thanks),

  Tony A. Johnson

  Cultural Education Coordinator

  Confederated Tribes of Grand Ronde

  9615 Grand Ronde Road

  Grand Ronde, OR 97347

  503-879-2084

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  From: The Chinook List [mailto:CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG] On
Behalf Of Francisc Czobor
  Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 11:51 PM
  To: CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG 
  Subject: Re: Blue Heron

  Hayu masi, Tony, pus k'ilapay wawa !

  In this case, the bird whose wing bones were used to make the long
needles
for mats is any of them (herons, cranes etc.) or only a certain
species?

  Francisc

  Tony Johnson <Tony.Johnson at GRANDRONDE.ORG> wrote:

    It is a descriptor for all birds of that type (Herons, Cranes,
etc.).

    aLqi ntsayka wawa.

    hayu masi (many thanks),

    Tony A. Johnson

    Cultural Education Coordinator

    Confederated Tribes of Grand Ronde

    9615 Grand Ronde Road

    Grand Ronde, OR 97347

    503-879-2084

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    From: The Chinook List [mailto:CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG]
On
Behalf Of Francisc Czobor
    Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:59 AM
    To: CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG 
    Subject: Re: Blue Heron

    LaXayEm Tony,

    I have just a little question: "yuLqat thiya7wit" refers to the
blue
heron in particular or means "heron" in general? (are there several
species
of herons in the area?)

    Hayu masi,

    Francisc

    Tony Johnson <Tony.Johnson at GRANDRONDE.ORG> wrote:

      ixt tEnEs ikta: nayka tilixam Laska munk yuLqat k'ipwat (pus
munk
Liskwis) khapa yuLqat thiya7wit yaka lima bon.

      hayu masi (many thanks),

      Tony A. Johnson

      Cultural Education Coordinator

      Confederated Tribes of Grand Ronde

      9615 Grand Ronde Road

      Grand Ronde, OR 97347

      503-879-2084

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      From: The Chinook List [mailto:CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG]
On
Behalf Of Leanne Riding
      Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 1:36 PM
      To: CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG 
      Subject: Re: Blue Heron

      I've never seen a specific word for this bird, either. Not sure
why
there is not one, but perhaps this bird lacked usefulness in a CJ
context?

      Leanne

      Francisc Czobor wrote:

      The only CJ expression referring (also) to the heron I found in
"The
Chinook Book" of W.S. Phillips ("El Comancho"), under the heading
KULLAKULLA:

      "Siah lepee kullakulla mitlite copo chuck illahee," "A long
legged
bird that-lives-in the water-land (swamps)." (The crane, snipe or
heron.)

      But I don't know about any specific denomination for the blue
heron.

      Francisc

      "J. Barnes" <saghalie.illahee at YAHOO.COM> wrote:

        The Jargon seems to have developed words for specific animals. 
Does
anyone know if there's a word for a Blue Heron (also known as the Great
Blue
Heron)?

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