Source of tanlki "yesterday"

[hzenk at PDX.EDU]

The LC and Kathlamet citations are fine, but my speculation on the two  
being related is looking a bit flimsy, inasmuch as I was tossing off  
the elder Wawa form from memory.  To my dismay I find that maybe I'm  
getting to an age when I shouldn't try to do things from memory.   
Here's checked forms for the 3 more fluent Grand Ronde speakers from  
whom this word was recorded (7=glottal stop, L=barred-l):

ta7anLki 'yesterday, tomorrow'
danLki 'yesterday'
tan7aLqi, tanaLqi 'yesterday' (this is the one I was trying to  
remember:  possible distorting influence of analogy with "aLqi"  
'later').

--Henry

Quoting jlarmagost <jlarmagost at VERIZON.NET>:

> Thanks, Henry, for this LC citation. Off-list email follows.
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> Boas has taanLki (first "a" stressed) 'yesterday' as Lower Chinook
> (Chinook Texts 155.7).  He also has taqEL ("E" stressed) as Kathlamet
> Chinook with the same meaning (Kathlamet Texts 87.14, 88.8).  It seems
> to me the two words could be related:  in Lower Chinook, q following a
> stressed vowel changes to glottal stop before another vowel.  Those
> two "a"'s of taanLki (the first with a length bar in the original), I
> would think, should have a glottal stop in between:  hence (if I'm
> right) Lower Chinook had ta7aL corresponding to Kathlamet taq(a)L).
> One of the Grand Ronde elders I worked with pronounced the word
> "ta7aLqi" as Jargon (7 = glottal stop; L = barred-l; maybe some
> distortion by analogy with aLqi 'later', a very common Jargon word).
> If there are any Chinookanists still lurking out there maybe they
> could enlighten us.  Henry
>
> Quoting Francisc Czobor <fericzobor at YAHOO.COM>:
>
>> Hi James,
>>
>>   According to Gibbs (1863), it comes from [Proper] Chinook tánlki,
>> with accent on the first syllable (Ross 1810 has tanilkey).
>>   In CJ the word is recorded in various forms (tahlkie, tahnlkie,
>> talke, talki, talkie, tanke, tanlke, tontleke, tantki, taLki,
>> tatlki, etc.), but everywhere where the stress is marked, it's on
>> the first syllable.
>>
>>   Francisc
>>
>> James Crippen <jcrippen at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>   Does anyone know the etymology of tanlki "yesterday"? I have it listed
>> in Sam Johnson's 1978 dissertation on Chinook Jargon, but no info on
>> the source language. It doesn't look like English or French.
>>
>> Also is the first or last syllable stressed? I am curious because I am
>> looking at a possible loan of this from CJ into Tlingit, but stress is
>> probably the deciding factor.
>>
>> Mási,
>> James
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