from BCL software, try : DRAKE 4.0 : pdf to rtf MAGELLAN 4.2 : pdf to html Freebird 4.0 : pdf to image files - they work on windows 95/98/nt and need acrobat 4 (not only the reader) - I have only tried a version limited in time of drake may be you can download the evaluation version from www.bcl-computers.com or www.str.fr Georges