[Corpora-List] Tag sets

Wed Feb 6 15:59:34 UTC 2008

I would support Chris's point. As far as for examples Eric gave, MTE  
makes a tagging distinction between 3 and three (the numeral tag M has  
a specific attribute FORM the values of which distinguish between  
various ways to write the numbers) and also has a special tagging  
class (X=rezidual) which was meant to cover everything that was not  
covered by other tags, including foreign material. It was not  
specified for further attributes (but nothing prevents it).

Best regards,
Dan Tufis
Quoting chris brew <cbrew at acm.org>:

> My point was not that MULTEXT-EAST already meets Mike's needs   
> exactly, butthat
> it is a good basis for an extensible, cross-linguistically useful tagset
> that does
> do this.
>
> The PDT 2.0 documentation, chapters 3 and 4, has a detailed discussion
> of names and abbreviations,including the names of horses, DJs and Julie
> Sedivy (whose
> name is, they say, of Czech origin, but adjusted/smoothed over at some point
> to fit in with
> non-Czech expectations).
>
> See http://ufal.mff.cuni.cz/pdt2.0/doc/manuals/en/m-layer/html/
>
> There is much more.
> Chapter 13.7 documents how to tag chess moves, should such occur in the
> data.
> Much of this is specific to Czech and Czech newspaper norms. It is the
> general
> approach (non-atomic tags, excellent documentation, care for the realities
> of the
> data) that I advocate. It is not a ready made solution, but a good basis for
> one.
>
> On 06/02/2008, Eric Atwell <eric at comp.leeds.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought EAGLES, MULTEXT-EAST etc tagsets
>> dont make the kind of distinctions Mike alluded to - eg distinguisihng
>> 3 from three, foreign-names from local-names, and categorising
>> non-dictionary
>> words with something more than "unknown".  This isnt PoS0tagging in the
>> traditional sense, whcih EAGLES etc extended from English to other
>> languages
>>
>> Eric Atwell     Leeds University
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Serge Sharoff wrote:
>>
>> > My vote goes to MULTEXT-EAST (MTE).  For its next version it has been
>> adapted to include Persian, FInnish and Hungarian in addition to Slavonic
>> languages in Version 3, so it's quite flexible.  However, MTE might be an
>> overkill for your purposes, as the tagset for Russian has more than 600 tags
>> (in you take into account all combinations of cases, numbers, genders,
>> tenses, etc), but the English set is much smaller.
>> > S
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: corpora-bounces at uib.no on behalf of chris brew
>> > Sent: Tue 05/02/2008 22:50
>> > To: maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu
>> > Cc: corpora
>> > Subject: Re: [Corpora-List] Tag sets
>> >
>> > You could start from something that has already been applied
>> multilingually,
>> > such as
>> > the MULTEXT-EAST materials at
>> > http://nl.ijs.si/ME/V3/msd/html/
>> >
>> > or
>> >
>> > http://ufal.mff.cuni.cz/pdt2.0/doc/manuals/en/m-layer/html/index.html
>> >
>> > which is a similar thing developed by the Prague group for Czech.
>> > Anna Feldman, Jiri Hana (who co-wrote the pdt manual above)
>> > and I have some experience in using
>> > adapted versions for Russian, Polish, Spanish and Catalan. It
>> > would be fun to find out if the same ideas work for Bengali etc.
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
>> >
>> > On 05/02/2008, maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu <maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> We're looking at annotating a small sample (~5k words) of Bengali text,
>> >> and later maybe Urdu and Punjabi.  The annotation will be the
>> dictionary
>> >> citation form of each word.  The texts are mostly news articles, so
>> there
>> >> are a fair number of words for which there won't be any dictionary
>> >> citation form.  These include many proper names, numerals, acronyms,
>> and
>> >> who knows what else.  I'll refer to these as "non-dictionary words",
>> >> whereas "dictionary words" will include words whose citation form is in
>> >> the dictionary we're using, even if the inflected wordform itself is
>> not.
>> >> (We're doing this to test a morphological parser.)
>> >>
>> >> This is not quite the same as the inverse of named entity tagging,
>> since
>> >> some parts of names may have citation forms.  For example, in English
>> one
>> >> would tag "Mississippi River" as a name.  But "River" would be found in
>> >> the dictionary, so for our purposes we would only want to tag
>> >> "Mississippi" as a non-dictionary word.
>> >>
>> >> The simplest thing for us to do would be to just tag all such
>> >> non-dictionary words the same way, e.g. with a tag "NOT".  However, in
>> the
>> >> interest of future uses to which we might put such a tagged text, it
>> might
>> >> be good to differentiate among the various kinds of non-dictionary
>> words.
>> >>
>> >> We could easily make up our own tagset for non-dictionary words, but it
>> >> strikes me that better would be to use some standard tagset for such
>> >> words, if such a tagset exists.  There is a table of tagsets in Manning
>> >> and Schutze pg. 141-2, including the Penn Treebank, Brown, and CLAWS.
>> >> However, the tagsets are English-specific.  This is especially
>> noticeable
>> >> in the punctuation tags for the PTB and Brown sets, but also e.g. in
>> the
>> >> decision to tag singular and plural proper nouns differently.  (Some
>> >> languages attach case markers to proper nouns.)  Also, it appears that
>> >> none of the tagsets distinguishes between numerals ('3', '4.5') and
>> >> numbers written out ('three', 'four point five'), which we need to do,
>> nor
>> >> are acronyms distinguished from "symbols".
>> >>
>> >> Another distinction I thought about making is between "ordinary"
>> Bengali
>> >> names, and foreign names, since one might later want to develop a
>> >> transducer to convert the latter into their more common Latin forms.
>> >> However, I suspect that might be too difficult a distinction for
>> >> annotators to make, and in any case some well-known Bengali names are
>> >> likely to have "standard" transliterations.
>> >>
>> >> Does anyone know of a semi-standard tagset that would be less
>> >> English-specific, and would make the kinds of distinctions among
>> >> non-dictionary words that we want to (or should) make?  Or should we
>> just
>> >> make up our own set?
>> >>
>> >>    Mike Maxwell
>> >>    CASL/ U MD
>> >>
>> >>
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